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ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by zopa »

bko wrote: post #183
Flatterer3544 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how would you know what they base their hiring upon? You would just get a generic automated response.. You would not be privy to their internal processes, and thusfar not be able to prove wrong doing. You would just have to hope for a new Snowden and that the found wrongdoings would actually be punished this time.

I don't get it, if you're medically unfit for a job, why would you want the job? For instance, if your job is to be on your feet all day and you can barely stand, then that job is not for you. I have never met employers that are so flush in opportunities of candidates that they just randomly choose to exclude certain people. And if it's insurance, there's a group rate. The difference only variable is what the employe…

Usually there's one or two job responsibilities among many, that you can do, but not the way everyone else does them. The ADA requires employers to make reasonable accommodations, and some employers don't want to.

So less, the job requires you to stand all day, and more, once a week or so they ask you make a binder of materials, and the hole puncher they want you to use dislocates your hands (true story). Or, it's a desk job, but you can't get from your desk to the bathroom in your wheelchair unless they widen the aisles between desks (hypothetical).

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Post by liamconnell »

Not mentioned in the article, but one interesting area where OpenAI could play is in participant identification and recruitment for clinical trials. In fact, ChatGPT could also help operate the clinical trials which is a highly paperwork intensive business, and therefore something that AI could add value to.

Ultimately pharmaceutical companies pay up to $100,000 per participant to hospital networks these charges must be itemized as expenses from the hospital on the most part (bounties are illegal usually.) open AI would provide a cheap way in for pharmaceutical companies to identify participants given that OpenAI has an incredible perspective into the physical and psychological state of their users. Imagine how much more is shared with OpenAI compared to a clinical trial coordinator at a hospital when a psychiatric drug is being tested.

This would also give OpenAI leverage in partnering with pharmaceutical companies. OpenAI executives have stated this is a goal, but otherwise they’ve made little progress on it.

It’s wild to imagine - someone with borderline personality disorder having delusional conversations with an AI chat Bot for six months, receiving an offer to participate in a clinical trial, and then having their subsequent AI conversations used as evidence to analyze the efficacy of the drug. The ironic thing is if that person had delusions about hidden forces listening to them…they’d be RIGHT!

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Post by throwup238 »

rafterydj wrote: post #198
bko wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it, if you're medically unfit for a job, why would you want the job? For instance, if your job is to be on your feet all day and you can barely stand, then that job is not for you. I have never met employers that are so flush in opportunities of candidates that they just randomly choose to exclude certain people. And if it's insurance, there's a group rate. The difference only variable is what the employe…

I believe existing laws carve out exceptions for medical fitness for certain positions for this very reason. If I may, stepping back for a second: the reason privacy laws exist, is to protect people from bad behavior from employers, health insurance, etc. If we circumvent those privacy laws, through user licenses, or new technology - we are removing the protections of normal citizens. Therefore, the bad behavior whic…

> I believe existing laws carve out exceptions for medical fitness for certain positions for this very reason.

It’s not just medical but a broad carve out called “bona fide occupational qualifications”. If there’s a good reason for it, hiring antidiscrimination laws allow exceptions.

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Post by [deleted] »

jsheard wrote: post #22
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

On the other hand, sometimes you end up like this guy. Are you feeling lucky? https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/08/after-using-chatgpt-m...

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

ares623 wrote: post #203
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #157

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I live my life by the “Ben Kenobi” principal. I’m 51, when things go completely to shit, I’ll just go out and live as a hermit somewhere.

Ah the ol’ “fuck you got mine” approach

Exactly what am I suppose to do? I vote for politicians who talk about universal healthcare, universal child care, public funding of college education and trade schools etc.

But the country and the people who could most benefit from it are more concerned with whatever fake outrage Fox News comes up with an anti woke something or the other.

So yeah, if this is the country America wants, I’m over it. I’ve done my bid.

While other people talk about leaving the country, we are seriously doing research and we are going to spend a month and a half outside of the US this year and I’ve already looked at residency requirements in a couple of countries after retirement including the one we are going to in a month and a half.

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Post by nyrikki »

Aurornis wrote: post #213
simianwords wrote: post #85

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Do corporations use my google searches as data to hire me?

I'm kind of amazed that so many people in this comment section believe their Google searches and ChatGPT conversations are being sold and used. Under this conspiracy theory they'd have to be available for sale somewhere, right? Yet no journalist has ever picked up the story? Nobody has ever come out and whistleblown that their company was buying Google searches and denying applicants for searching for naughty words?

Google "doesn't sell your data" but RTB leaks that info, and the reason no one is called out for "buying Google searches and denying applicants for searching for naughty words" is because it is trivial to make legal.

It is well documented in many many places, people just don't care.

Google can claim that it doesn’t sell your data, but if you think that the data about your searches isn't being sold, here is just a small selection of real sources.

https://www.iccl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Mass-data-bre...

And it isn't paranoia, consumer surveillance is a very real problem, and one of the few paths to profitability for OpenAI.

https://techpolicy.sanford.duke.edu/data-brokers-and-the-sal...

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/data_brokers_and_sec...

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/26AmendedCompla...

https://epic.org/a-health-privacy-check-up-how-unfair-modern...

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Post by Aurornis »

nyrikki wrote: post #226
Aurornis wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm kind of amazed that so many people in this comment section believe their Google searches and ChatGPT conversations are being sold and used. Under this conspiracy theory they'd have to be available for sale somewhere, right? Yet no journalist has ever picked up the story? Nobody has ever come out and whistleblown that their company was buying Google searches and denying applicants for searching for naughty words?

Google "doesn't sell your data" but RTB leaks that info, and the reason no one is called out for "buying Google searches and denying applicants for searching for naughty words" is because it is trivial to make legal. It is well documented in many many places, people just don't care. Google can claim that it doesn’t sell your data, but if you think that the data about your searches isn't being sold, here is just a sma…

> and the reason no one is called out for "buying Google searches and denying applicants for searching for naughty words" is because it is trivial to make legal.

Citation needed for a claim of this magnitude.

> It is well documented in many many places, people just don't care.

Yes, please share documentation of companies buying search data and rejecting candidates for it.

Like most conspiracy theories, there are a lot of statements about this happening and being documented but the documentation never arrives.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #215
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #199

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I am still having trouble understand how that pertains to the post to which it replied. Here are those 2 points again: 1. In the US, enrolling in health insurance is currently a choice (I'm can't tell whether your hypothesis about healthy people is agreeing or disagreeing with this point). 2. We don't want Billy to be screwed for life just because he was born to a suboptimal combination of parents. Would you mind cla…

1. I'm saying the choice is faux. Healthy people will have dramatically lower medical bills throughout their life, so why shouldn't they get discounted health insurance? Which leads to your second point which I already addressed in my initial post: 2. >This is why there is a hyperfixation on shifting blame away from (failing) individuals. The logic breaks when Billy has to admit he just hates exercising.

> Healthy people will have dramatically lower medical bills throughout their life, so why shouldn't they get discounted health insurance?

I never said they shouldn't. It's just a topic totally unrelated to whether or not people are forced to buy insurance, and I'm not interested in discussing that new, unrelated topic.

> Billy has to admit he just hates exercising.

This logic breaks down when Billy actually exercises and eats just fine, but was nonetheless born to a suboptimal combination of parents.

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Post by Aurornis »

simianwords wrote: post #85
Flatterer3544 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how would you know what they base their hiring upon? You would just get a generic automated response.. You would not be privy to their internal processes, and thusfar not be able to prove wrong doing. You would just have to hope for a new Snowden and that the found wrongdoings would actually be punished this time.

Do corporations use my google searches as data to hire me?

No they do not.

Anyone who has worked in hiring for any big company knows how much goes into ensuring hiring processes don't accidentally touch anything that could be construed as illegal discrimination. Employees are trained, policies and procedures are documented, and anyone who even accidentally says or does anything that comes too close to possibly running afoul of hiring laws will find themselves involved with HR.

The idea that these same companies also have a group of people buying private search information or ChatGPT conversations for individual applicants from somewhere (which nobody can link to) and then secretly making hiring decisions based on what they find is silly.

The arguments come with the usual array of conspiracy theory defenses, like the "How can you prove it's not happening" or the claims that it's well documented that it's happening but nobody can link to that documentation.

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Post by joe_the_user »

simianwords wrote: post #71
trollbridge wrote: post #18

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This sounds like excellent evidentiary material for a future insurer or government health provider to decide you're uninsurable, not eligible for a job, and so on. And the great thing about it is that you already signed all your rights away for them to do this exact thing , when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private.

Can you explain the exact way in which this is possible? It’s not legal to be denied jobs based on health. Not to deny insurance

The ADA made it illegal to discriminate against job seekers for health conditions and ObamaCare made it illegal to base cover and rates on pre-existing conditions.

What are the chances those bills last long in the current administration and supreme court?

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