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Yes. It’s not enough and I’m confused why.
Then how do you know that more comments are being removed?
Because I’m participating in those threads and then they go away.
We might have been slower to abandon StackOverflow if it wasn't a toxic hellhole
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Re: We might have been slower to abandon StackOverflow if it wasn't a toxic hellhole
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Written like you're on one side of the cultural barrier and think that you have to be somehow naturally correct because that's what's natural to you . To others, that attitude is just arrogant and self-centered. Why should one particular culture dictate the behavior of everyone, and especially why should it be your culture? What you call "establishing mutual respect" is just "insincere and shallow" to others. I do no…
That's not what I mean, I don't like corpo-speak either. I mean just treating people like they're human beings, neither with affected shortness nor affected warmth. I really don't like the common notion that you have to be cold and short with people to be a good engineer, it makes the culture considerably less pleasant and more abrasive than it needs to be in my view. I could just as well turn that around and say why…
What if short isn't "cold" at all? That's a value you're projecting to it.
I understand there are cultures that value flowery speech more than mine. I'm asking you to stop using emotionally loaded words to describe how other people behave.
Re: We might have been slower to abandon StackOverflow if it wasn't a toxic hellhole
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That's not what I mean, I don't like corpo-speak either. I mean just treating people like they're human beings, neither with affected shortness nor affected warmth. I really don't like the common notion that you have to be cold and short with people to be a good engineer, it makes the culture considerably less pleasant and more abrasive than it needs to be in my view. I could just as well turn that around and say why…
What if short isn't "cold" at all? That's a value you're projecting to it. I understand there are cultures that value flowery speech more than mine. I'm asking you to stop using emotionally loaded words to describe how other people behave.
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Re: We might have been slower to abandon StackOverflow if it wasn't a toxic hellhole
#224Completely agree. SO is full of self-proclaimed "experts" who simply are not helpful. It is a toxic site. Amusingly, I have noticed how the most unwelcoming, unreliable, and lone wolf developers (colleagues) in my past five companies used their SO metrics as signs of their worth.
That says plenty.
Re: We might have been slower to abandon StackOverflow if it wasn't a toxic hellhole
#225StackOverflow was successful explicitly because of the people/question it excluded . The "toxicity" was the point. It was trying very very hard not to become Yahoo Questions. If you want to hear more about this you should watch Joel Spolsky's talk "The Cultural Anthropology of Stack Exchange": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpGA2fmAHvM The point of StackOverflow was explicitly not to help the question-askers, but to…
I disagree with this. You can tell someone that a question is not appropriate for a community without being a jerk. Or you can tell them that there needs to be more information in a question without being a jerk. I do not think being mean is a prerequisite for successful curation of information.
Exactly. When a certain moderation style is allowed, it attracts aligned personality types and produces a distinct culture. When toxicity becomes the norm, it is enjoyed by sadists and the demented, who have positioned themselves appropriately to get off on it.