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Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by OsrsNeedsf2P »

flipped wrote: post #118
goku12 wrote: post #101

Well! Not really a surprise, is it? We knew that DNS censorship was coming sooner or later. The real surprise is that it lasted so long. X509 (TLS) PKI is also probably being abused right now. We know how differently the administration sees services like these that are actually beneficial to humanity. Choosing to rely on services like DNS and PKI exclusively for the function they provide is a very bad idea going forw…

Tor and monero will save the world.

Tor yes. I even recall seeing a rare use of blockchain for domain names (Namecoin) over a decade ago. But I don't see how Monero helps?

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by ComputerGuru »

hliyan wrote: post #13

Is this an abuse of the ServerHold status? Was this the same mechanism used to delist a Gaza video archive recently? > This status code is set by your domain's Registry Operator. Your domain is not activated in the DNS. > If you provided delegation information (name servers), this status may indicate an issue with your domain that needs resolution. If so, you should contact your registrar to request more information.…

Full writeup of the Gaza video archive takedown, if you aren't up to date on it: https://neosmart.net/blog/namecheap-com-revokes-domain-hosti...

In that case, it was the registrar (not the TLD owner) that put the domain under clientHold and clientTransferProhibited, etc (which disables DNS lookups).

The Genocide.live site is now back up (just yesterday) after they raised a fuss on social media, and were able to get the domain unlocked to transfer it to Trustname (out of Estonia) as their new registrar.

(The Namecheap founder/CEO Richard Kirkendall surprisingly came across as surprisingly unaware of how anything to do with domain name registries, TLDs, and DNS works on Twitter in an exchange where he thought the entity running the .live gTLD was the archive's new registrar [1], claimed the domain was unlocked for transfer when it was still on clientHold [2], and a raft of other silly mistakes.)

[0]: https://neosmart.net/blog/namecheap-com-revokes-domain-hosti...

[1]: https://x.com/namecheapceo123/status/2007139737379934559?s=2...

[2]: https://x.com/namecheapceo123/status/2007228146060259365?s=2... yet https://x.com/receipts_lol/status/2007984691476156443?s=20

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by Zak »

intalentive wrote: post #211
Zak wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like it has been restored, and responsibility attributed to a moderator acting hastily due to the extreme nature of the content: https://sunur.substack.com/p/namecheap-stole-the-domain-of-g... I don't like the idea of registrars doing moderation at all.

Or Cloudflare, for that matter…

That's valid, and I think a point that Cloudflare itself has acknowledged. Cloudflare is, however not quite as fundamental as domain names.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by krick »

azinman2 wrote: post #186
NetMageSCW wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn’t come anywhere close to the entire content library, the 300TB represents about 33% of Spotify, though it is close to 100% of the played music.

Kind of nuts that 66% of their library is virtually unplayed. It’s hard to make it as a musician.

To be completely fair, I am not certain what it means for a track to be "virtually unplayed".

First off, it was striking to me how little of the "top 10 000" they published back on Christmas I recognize. I'm not sure what I expected, but 10 000 sounds like a big number, so it seemed likely to me, that if I get a random song from my playlist I could find it there. It turned out I hardly can find an artist I recognize. Ok, I can recall a song from Lady Gaga and even Billie Eilish, I've heard of Bruno Mars (cannot recall any song), but I have no idea what is "Bad Bunny", "Doechii", "Drake". I mean, I think I do have a pretty good idea what these things are (abstractly), and I probably wouldn't want to listen that. And while I knew that all this stuff is very popular, I didn't quite realize how little place in the top-10000 it leaves for the music I (and everyone I know) actually listen to.

I didn't download the metadata they released (it would be hard to process it on my laptop anyway), but now I wonder how much of my 3 TB music collection is in top 100 000, or heck, even top 1M Spotify, or on Spotify at all.

I also am sometimes surprised how little scrobbles some tracks get. I didn't bother to find out what this means, how many people still scrobble to Last.fm or ListenBrainz, but it is just surprising when I see that a track that I didn't consider to be obscure was scrobbled like 50 times this year.

So I'm saying that music worlds seems to be terribly fragmented, even more than I imagined. So the very premise of AA backing-up 97% of Spotify (by the number of plays) may be much lesser achievement at "preserving culture" than it may sound. And of course we are about 8 years too late to backup everything, since by now half of it must be generative NN bullshit. And I'm not even sure it's in those leftover 3% (bots listen to bot-generated music too, right)?

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Post by anthk »

mystraline wrote: post #85
flipped wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like IPFS but decentralized storage is just awfully expensive to maintain without any reward. Main IPFS mirrors don't tolerate AA content, it's taken down very quickly.

And also IPFS rats our to the whole world all your network interfaces, MAC addresses, and internal network configs. And even after multiple requests of supporting a Tor mode, have routinely ignored that with "but its too hard!" And, I quit running IPFS back in the .31 version after adding some chat logs to my local machine's share, and found a google crawler within 1 hour and fully indexed them. No thanks.

IPFS support interface binding, hard disk quotas, working as a router or not, and bandwidth quotas among several settings. Yes, by default can be a bit intensive.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by eli »

mmooss wrote: post #164
MarsIronPI wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but they weren't not going to, given that their mission is to archive all cultural content, by hook or by crook.

Archiving it and publishing it are different things. More importantly, they may sabotage their mission: If Spotify shuts them down, their exiting archives and especially future archives may be effectively lost.

I'm not sure archiving and publishing are different things.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by mmooss »

lkbm wrote: post #219
mmooss wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean, intentionally? It's an interesting question; is there any evidence?

They do have this section about supplying AI data: https://annas-archive.se/llm I certainly don't consider taking money from AI companies while giving data to everyone else for free makes them AI company footsoldiers, but that offer is presumably what's being alluded to.

It gives AI companies influence, if they supply a significant amount of AA's budget. It also may give AI companies knowledge of AA's people and assets that could be given to authorities.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by mmooss »

eli wrote: post #226
mmooss wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Archiving it and publishing it are different things. More importantly, they may sabotage their mission: If Spotify shuts them down, their exiting archives and especially future archives may be effectively lost.

I'm not sure archiving and publishing are different things.

I can save a copy of my friend's book on my computer, archiving it. Nobody else could see it unless I publish it.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by ddingus »

staplers wrote: post #201
krick wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, obviously I don't know if it is actually related, but my first thought when I couldn't open it today was "Told you so"...

Spotify was created from a library of pirated music.. the irony

Came here to say that.

An while back, another site started with a pile of pirated music, and that was allofmp3.com Remember those peeps?

Their business model was to sell music by selling bandwidth. Basically is was all the music you want charged by the megabit download.

Pop titles were $0.10 to $0.25. A whole album at 256mbps was roughly $3 give or take.

What got me really thinking was how great the UX experience was. At the time, few came close.

The end of that site was packaged up with Russia's entry into the WTO.

I seem to remember hearing about huge torrents out there too. The right infohash can point a person to huge archives of various kinds, books, video, academic papers, music, the WikiLeak insurance files, which is password protected, as perhaps all of these are.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by weslleyskah »

mmooss wrote: post #164
MarsIronPI wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but they weren't not going to, given that their mission is to archive all cultural content, by hook or by crook.

Archiving it and publishing it are different things. More importantly, they may sabotage their mission: If Spotify shuts them down, their exiting archives and especially future archives may be effectively lost.

They stated that they would pass the information on to other archivists and public/private trackers no? They obviously have backups, since there are multiple users seeding Gbs and even TBs of data. Mirrors can be created as well, like TPB.
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