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Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by hombre_fatal »

apparent wrote: post #151
Rebelgecko wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple lets third party watches show notifications but they're not allowed to take any action in response (eg having a snooze button when your alarm goes off or whatever). Next version of iOS will allow interaction for a single smart watch at a time in the EU. I think it's still unclear if Apple will enable that feature outside of where it's legally required.

Interestingly a Garmin can turn off an alarm on an iPhone. Not sure if this counts as an action in response to a notification, exactly.

ANCS lets bluetooth devices trigger basic positive/negative actions on notifications.

Stop alarm is presumably one of those basic actions.

But it doesn’t support custom actions that the app developer might have registered.

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Post by apparent »

leoedin wrote: post #220
apparent wrote: post #197

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Apple is forced to offer longer warranties in some non-US countries. In these countries, the price of the product is simply higher, to account for this. So basically consumers are forced to pay for an extended warranty in those countries, whereas if they bought them in the US (as some do on vacation), they get them cheaper but without the extended warranty. I would agree that a product that supposedly has a 30 day ba…

> In these countries, the price of the product is simply higher, to account for this Maybe on the individual level, but the aggregate effect is that manufacturers are incentivised to save money by increasing reliability. Which is a good thing for everyone.

I mean, it's good for the people in America and other shorter-warranty countries, who get to free-ride on any enhanced reliability that this results in.

But honestly I've had Macs that still work 15 years after I bought them, and iPhones that work for easily 6 or 7. That's not because AU or EU require a somewhat longer warranty, I don't think.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by apparent »

lawn wrote: post #218
gbil wrote: post #202

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Isn’t this thread about the pebble round 2 which is the closest from form factor to a garmin ? Moreover, GPS is lacking on any pebble anyhow which is also a major use case and again therefore, garmin’s and pebble’s can’t be compared, 2 different use cases for me.

The round 2 is round similar to a Garmin but the Garmin watches are significantly thicker,.more similar to the time 2.

Even the PT2 is significantly thinner than Garmins, roughly 2mm. That's about 15% thinner, which is a big deal in my book. Not as thin as AWs though, but not off by too much. Based on photos, it looks like the PR2 will be 2mm thinner than the PR2, which would make it thinner than AWs.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by mirsadm »

jolmg wrote: post #195
majesticmerc wrote: post #126

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I'm a runner, so obviously biased, but I implore everyone (to the point of annoyance) to check out some of the cheaper Garmin smart watches. They use MIP displays so the battery life runs about 2 weeks, you get phone notifications, the ability to find your phone, sleep scoring, step counting, heart rate monitoring. Then there's the obvious GPS run recording which you don't have to use. There's more stuff as well but…

> check out some of the cheaper Garmin smart watches. They use MIP displays so the battery life runs about 2 weeks Same deal with the watch of the article. It uses the same display: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46471292 The difference between such Garmin watches and Pebble Round 2 seems to be trading off hardware like built-in GPS and NFC for open source software and thinness. 100% worthwhile trade IMO.

Even the OLED Garmin watches last much longer than a day. My Venu 3 lasts for about 4 days with me running every day.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by pbmonster »

Jiro wrote: post #94
sumitgt wrote: post #91

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There's a ton of apps and watchfaces on the Pebble that show the weather

There's a ton of apps and watchfaces on the existing Pebble appstore that showed the weather back when the earlier Pebbles were new. I don't think any of them still work, because they depend on being able to access services that were around back then. These new Pebbles conspicuously don't list the ability to show the weather.

I'm currently wearing a 2 Duo that shows the weather and outside temperature on the watch face.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by TheDong »

apparent wrote: post #222
leoedin wrote: post #220

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> In these countries, the price of the product is simply higher, to account for this Maybe on the individual level, but the aggregate effect is that manufacturers are incentivised to save money by increasing reliability. Which is a good thing for everyone.

I mean, it's good for the people in America and other shorter-warranty countries, who get to free-ride on any enhanced reliability that this results in. But honestly I've had Macs that still work 15 years after I bought them, and iPhones that work for easily 6 or 7. That's not because AU or EU require a somewhat longer warranty, I don't think.

> good for America and other shorter-warranty countries, who get to free-ride on any enhanced reliability that this results in.

The EU mandates that in the EU you can change your default navigation app from Apple Maps to Google Maps.

The US isn't getting to free-ride on that, that only works if you move to an EU country.

Why wouldn't apple do the same for US vs EU, if EU has a longer required warranty period, apple can bin processors so the US gets more likely to fail processors and the EU gets more stable chips.

It would be the sort of vindictive malicious compliance apple has been doing with everything else, so I wouldn't put it past them.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by mirsadm »

apparent wrote: post #107
sahila wrote: post #93

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> Pebble proves that a simple, shallow, and linear menu system works great! Hard to say this is true when Garmin watches are far more successful than Pebble. That aside, the forerunner is a sports watch first where you want lots of physical buttons that don't get bothered by sweat. The better Garmin comparison is the Venu series which only have two buttons https://www.garmin.com/en-US/c/wearables-smartwatches/?serie.…

> Hard to say this is true when Garmin watches are far more successful than Pebble This may not be true for long, honestly. Pebble hasn't made watches in years, and I wouldn't be surprised if within 2-4 years they were selling more units than Garmin. The Pebble UI is a dream, especially compared to Garmin. I could never get my parents to get a Garmin, but a Pebble could totally work for them. Super intuitive, hardly…

Very unlikely. The reason Garmin watches are successful is because they've carved out an audience (athletes, health and exercise focused). Pebble might have a nice UI but most people would be better off with an Apple Watch or whatever the current flavour of the week is on Android

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by jimmySixDOF »

sho_hn wrote: post #36

I'm sorry for the sour grapes, but the recent ring announcement - disposable, single-charge electronics - soured me on the entire brand in a "never meet your heroes" sort of way. Somehow it makes the idea of wearing one of the watches a negative statement piece.

Totally agree even though it is apparently one of the better rings I can't understand why they don't have a mail-back-to-factory plan for battery service just on principal. It's stories like this that almost make the case for regulation if that wasn't such a slippery slope.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by mkesper »

1bpp wrote: post #128
majesticmerc wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a runner, so obviously biased, but I implore everyone (to the point of annoyance) to check out some of the cheaper Garmin smart watches. They use MIP displays so the battery life runs about 2 weeks, you get phone notifications, the ability to find your phone, sleep scoring, step counting, heart rate monitoring. Then there's the obvious GPS run recording which you don't have to use. There's more stuff as well but…

Seconding the Garmin watches, been using a Forerunner for years and the battery still lasts over a week with an always-on display. Does about as much as a Pebble and even has a documented SDK with sideloading. The refresh rate is very low but totally fine for a watch, I think newer models have much better displays. The only thing I wish were better is exporting all the tracked health data in a format I can use myself…

Maybe the (partial) support of Gadgetbridge is sufficient: https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/garmin-watches/

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by PMunch »

lilactown wrote: post #119

Would buy this in a heartbeat (pun intended) if it came with a heart rate monitor. I had the first Pebble Time Round and it's my favorite smart watch I've ever owned, but these days the things I want from a watch are to tell the time and collect biometrics. Taking a step back in biometrics feels like a bummer. I also totally buy that it would increase the foot print in a way that would feel way less slim.

Same! I've already signed up for the Time 2 and super stoked for it, then I saw the announcement for the Round 2 and I was about to switch over until I noticed it didn't have a heart rate sensor. I know its sleek and elegant, but that slight bulk would be worth it in my opinion. And who knows, with the extra thickness they might've been able to squeeze in more battery to get it to the 30 days battery life cited for the Time 2.

Also unfortunate that it's missing the RGB backlight of the Time 2. I can think of a few good use cases for it, but if it's only on the Time 2 that means fewer apps would use it.

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