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I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Sure, I’m familiar with the weird UK layout.

It is the US layout that stands out. The UK layout follows ISO 9995, which most other countries also follow.

And I thank god every day we don't. The ISO keyboard is awful. Left shift is too important of a key to be 1u. I don't need a massive enter key that lives on two rows. Just insane choices.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Being able to replace the keyboard is especially wonderful because laptops are usually "region-locked". I know people who use relatively unpopular layouts relative to where they live, and it makes it harder to buy and much harder to sell their Macs.

what do you mean? If you get the key caps, they're trivially swapped. I use Dvorak, and I've swapped keys for every generation of keyboard over the last 10 years. Once swapped, the layout can be set system wide.

They're really not -- Mac scissor switches are pretty delicate, and it's easy to do damage to the tiny plastic nubs on the keycaps or the switches... and if you damage the metal retaining frame in any way, you're toast (Mac laptop keyboards are virtually unreplaceable, being buried in the "bottom" of the unibody chassis).

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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I was hoping that this is how it would work for System76 -- when I bought the laptop they sold replacement batteries. Five years later I find myself needing a battery and they are unavailable -- not on System76's website, not online, nowhere. My only option is to either replace the laptop or buy a used one and take the battery from that, hoping that it's good. For the last six months I've just been using a laptop as…

FWIW, I have a 5 year old dell XPS whose battery I could both find an replace easily. That is one of the advantages of the bigger name brands, replacement parts are generally a lot easier to find.

Yeah, but is it OEM? Even big names like Dell don't support their parts for that long, and you have to resort to getting sketchy third-party parts from China, or rolling the dice on a used OEM part.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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I thought Framework was worth a gamble. I replaced my last laptop after 10+ years because the battery gave out, the end-of-life hardware was so old it no longer got OS upgrades, and eventually apps stopped working. I like the idea of getting to easily throw new hardware at my machine to keep it going. (I also tired of Apple shoving bad experiences down my throat (TouchBar, Butterfly keyboards, thin glass screens that…

Replacing a CPU means replacing a motherboard - this is mostly true for desktops too. And by the time you’re ready for a new CPU there is almost certainly a new type of RAM to get.

At least with desktop you sometimes get a CPU upgrade path.

For example, with Socket 939, I started with an Athlon 64 3000+, and upgraded later to an X2 4200+.

With Socket AM4, I skipped the first generation, got a Ryzen 2700X, then skipped the next generation, and then got a Ryzen 5900X! (But a solid 4 generations on the same socket!)

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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It would also be apt if the handover cost $10,000 but the engine cost $9000. My framework 13 is OKAY. But the reality of it is the economics just don’t make sense with their pricing. The biggest thing people can comment on the keyboard is easily replaceable. That’s cool and I love the idea, but any vendor could do that part.

I had a Framework mainboard die and I was able to replace it myself with a free replacement they sent me without need to throw away the laptop. The economics make sense when you consider they don't get the priority for chips or the volume discounts that a company like Dell would get from AMD or Intel. They are getting scraps and doing what they can to make it work.

Is that a viable business model though? That they’ll always be a niche supplier with low-vokume issues, seems like a tough market.

In fact, I think Dell or HP or Other could demolish Framework in a 1/2 second by offering a line that was even 50% the offering. By focusing on replaceable screens, keyboard, and standing the chassis for multiple boards and selling some parts they dry up FW’s moat with little effort.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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I'm also a laptop weirdo and I've had a Framework 13 with the Ryzen 7 motherboard since May of 2022. I run Ubuntu (currently 25.10) on it. Its a good laptop, but not a great laptop. Its very light and compact (very important to me), and its been reliable, at least since the AMD GPU driver issues were resolved. The matte screen is fine, battery life is adequate, and the CPU meets my needs as a hobby developer. Overall…

> Its biggest issues are the touchpad (it's a diving board design, so you have to always click in the bottom 1/3 of the pad)

Wait, are you saying it's not possible to change settings so that I can

- single finger tap anywhere for a left click,

- two finger tap anywhere for a right click.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Current items in my possession that are still in use and use USB-A * keyboard * mouse dongle * webcam * microphone * mouse charging cable * smart watch charging cable * SATA hard drive dock * 32GB and 64GB USB memory sticks Things that use USB-C * new SD card reader * new headphones dongle * smart phone charging cable Some of the above could maybe be replaced with a USB-C equivalent, but they are still working and I'…

I bought a USB-C hub so I can slowly migrate to the current format as I replace the old devices.

I mean I have a perfectly good USB-A hub that is still working and doesn't need replaced either ;)

4-ports -- supports webcam, microphone, keyboard with no issues.

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I’ve always found this line of thinking to match up with drivers of old Land Rovers. The thinking goes they are brilliant because they are so easy to repair and parts are easy to source globally. While that’s true, I much prefer to drive vehicles that don’t need repairs.

There is no such thing as a vehicle that doesn't need repairs. Just ones you can't repair yourself.

The idea is that repairability and reliability are sometimes at odds.

I owned a number of 90s trucks and though it was easier to get into the engine, I had to do it well before 100k miles sometimes. Meanwhile I have a 2010s Japanese vehicle that is at 200k with only an alternator replaced.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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No, it did not. And you had one of their representatives in this thread verify that fact. They expected you to do the repair with a soldering iron.

My question was about what happened during your warranty period. nrp's response was independent of warranty obligations.

They just offered free batteries.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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I’ve always found this line of thinking to match up with drivers of old Land Rovers. The thinking goes they are brilliant because they are so easy to repair and parts are easy to source globally. While that’s true, I much prefer to drive vehicles that don’t need repairs.

It would also be apt if the handover cost $10,000 but the engine cost $9000. My framework 13 is OKAY. But the reality of it is the economics just don’t make sense with their pricing. The biggest thing people can comment on the keyboard is easily replaceable. That’s cool and I love the idea, but any vendor could do that part.

That last sentence is just not true. Have an end user easily order and replace a MacBook Air keyboard, or easily upgrade their MacBook screen direct from the website.
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