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Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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Are you telling me this is a lie: https://www.vodafone.co.uk/help/unlocking-your-phone

Please continue up the line to find the context. The grandparent does not have his sim card .

> The grandparent does not have his sim card.

which is not necessary for transferring your number to a new SIM. when you lose your phone here, you don't lose your number.

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Works for google (should!) but man there are some platforms that don’t expose the Totp code, or let you redisplay it! Sometimes they make you remove the old one before you can make a new one, too.

Few, but screenshot the qr code and print it out. Even Facebook supports totp it's just well hidden.

Print or print to pdf works but feel terrible leaving pdf and printed QR codes around when I have an actual handful of HSM/security dongles in that very same desk drawer :(

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I really want unlimited aliases for signing up to sites and tracking who is leaking my data.

You can do something like email+site@gmail.com and it'll be delivered to email@gmail.com with the site in the To field

And the spammers will omit the + alias

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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I'm in the camp that paying makes you a customer. Inversely using a free service makes you a user, not a customer. And as you correctly note, there I'd no "user service" department. You can of course push for any law you like, but I expect laws protecting "users" to be toothless. Basically the TOS will boil down to "we can do anything we like" - which I guess is more or less what they say now. I find it helpful to th…

> I'm in the camp that paying makes you a customer. Inversely using a free service makes you a user, not a customer. I agree, but what do you do when a large player like Google kills the competition by making their service available for free? I used to pay for email hosting with good customer support. That company went out of business when free GMail wrecked their business model. I moved to another hosting service, w…

Thats not exactly a new question. Netscape would also like an answer.

Obviously the short answer, for you personally, is "nothing". You cannot affect either the closing business or Google.

The somewhat longer answer is that there are certainly other mail services that currently exist. So there are still options. And yes, those services will need to differentiate their offering.

[Some will no doubt mention the option to self-host. I did that myself for about 15 years. It's a lot of extra work to do that though.]

Obviously some services (like YouTube) are double-sided. Consumers go there because producers are there and vice versa. But, as you point out, even there you have choices - free with ads, or subscription. (Not that you'll get any "customer support" from Google.)

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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> if at some point they request you to provide the code they sent to the phone you don't have for the last 10 years AFAIK once 2FA is up, you can remove your phone number from GMail. I know it takes time to set up a recovery account (in case the account is inactive for x months), to remove a phone number, etc. but if one's GMail is important it could be worth doing both now if it hasn't already been done.

You will eventually be forced to re-add it at some point. The point is (it's not my account) that unless you religiously update the phone number in all your accounts you will at some point lose access to some of them despite being able to prove with all the other details it's you who created and used them. Just because. Because phone number is a very valuable identifier for the ad company.

I don't think you will be forced. I removed it long ago, and still don't have it.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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I'm in the camp that paying makes you a customer. Inversely using a free service makes you a user, not a customer. And as you correctly note, there I'd no "user service" department. You can of course push for any law you like, but I expect laws protecting "users" to be toothless. Basically the TOS will boil down to "we can do anything we like" - which I guess is more or less what they say now. I find it helpful to th…

> I'm in the camp that paying makes you a customer. Inversely using a free service makes you a user, not a customer. I agree, but what do you do when a large player like Google kills the competition by making their service available for free? I used to pay for email hosting with good customer support. That company went out of business when free GMail wrecked their business model. I moved to another hosting service, w…

it's even worse than this.

your paid email address would now always end up in people's spam folder by default, because the big 2 don't trust any email not originating from the big 2

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I wish they'd let me recover my original -- I lost my TOTP generator, and the codes I'd written down in a paper notebook were rejected. I even hunted down the electronic copy in case there was a transcription error -- seemed like some failure in their systems was causing me to lose access despite having followed proper procedures. Lost a decade and a half of correspondence dating back to my teenage years. I had impor…

Let's be realistic here. The vastly more likely possibility is that you screwed up somewhere with your backup codes.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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A bit off topic, but changing your name when getting married is so strange to me. It is not at all common where I live (Belgium), in fact I don't think I personally know a single person who did.

Not only is it strange, it’s obviously very sexist in practice. In majority of the cases, it’s always the woman who changes her last name. The husband gets to keep his. I still find it very strange and shocking that powerful women with successful careers in modern society still keep changing their names after getting married.

These traditions stem from pre-contemporary patriarchal societies, where the man leads the household and thus his name is retained.

There have been matriarchal societies in history, but they all ceased to exist. Make of that what you will.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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> I will never use their services again, I was really digusted by this failure Isn’t this inherent to not choosing an (EDIT: external) account-recovery method? The flip side to allowing account recovery at Google’s discretion is lessened security for everyone. (Obviously not black and white. And I agree Google should have flexibility for old accounts. But it’s an odd thing to reject a major provider over.)

You can have all the right details and recovery methods but if at some point they request you to provide the code they sent to the phone you don't have for the last 10 years......... That's it.

I can't get my Rockstar account because it has 2FA with an app that I somehow lost.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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I wish they'd let me recover my original -- I lost my TOTP generator, and the codes I'd written down in a paper notebook were rejected. I even hunted down the electronic copy in case there was a transcription error -- seemed like some failure in their systems was causing me to lose access despite having followed proper procedures. Lost a decade and a half of correspondence dating back to my teenage years. I had impor…

Yikes. This post is an unsettling reminder that gmail is a single point of failure in my personal and financial security.

My mother only uses the computer for fun. She scrolls Facebook and sends my aunt cringe photos. If she gets locked out of her email, no big deal.

Maybe we should just panic less.

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