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Re: 2026 Apple introducing more ads to increase opportunity in search results

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Post by sehansen »

fainpul wrote: post #131
hagbard_c wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first iPod had 5 GB of storage, less than e.g. the Creative Nomad Jukebox which had 6 GB. If you were around at the time you may remember the (in)famous verdict of CmdrTaco [1]: . No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame. So no, the fruit factory did not produce the first device which could haul your entire music collection. What they did is what has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread: they took an existin…

Fair points about intense marketing and less successful products being forgotten in history. However, I wasn't able to find anything about the first (6 GB) Nomad Jukebox on Wikipedia. The iPod was released in October 2001, I only see mentions of the Jukebox later than that. What does the "no wireless" complaint refer to? I don't see any mention of wireless connections for any of the Nomad Jukeboxes either. Besides th…

"The Nomad Jukebox shipped in the U.S. in September 2000." [0]

It had 6 GB of storage [1]

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Nomad#Nomad_Jukebox_Z... - second to last paragraph

1: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/576463/Creative-Nomad-Juke...

Re: 2026 Apple introducing more ads to increase opportunity in search results

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Post by palla89 »

black3r wrote: post #182
al_borland wrote: post #3

I’m really not a fan of this direction for Apple. One of the differentiators between iOS and Google was a lack of ads, which make the experience feel more premium. Increasing ads, or having them at all, really erodes the user experience. Apple managed to become the most valuable company in the world without ads. Adding them after hitting that milestone feels either greedy or desperate, maybe a little of both. I know…

There have been ads in App Store for a long time. The upcoming change is that they will also appear further down in search results, right now they only show on top...

this morning I read not only on bottom, but also every few apps.. hopefully it's only in the bottom!

Re: 2026 Apple introducing more ads to increase opportunity in search results

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Post by coldtea »

somenameforme wrote: post #217
coldtea wrote: post #209

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What morality is absolute? Morality being absolute means just that you subjectively consider some moral rules absolute. Doesn't make them so, the way the law of gravity is absolute. And it doesn't mean that every human society agrees to what you consider "absolute". All things you consider "absolute", there are whole societies which found them to be just fine, and you'd do too if you were raised in them, including in…

Many things are naturally repulsive, but are indulged out of necessity or gain. For instance Aristotle wasn't opposed to slavery, yet nonetheless in his writings, now some 2400+ years ago, he found himself obligated to lay out an extensive and lengthy defense and rationalization of such, and he even predicted what would eventually end it: "For if every instrument could accomplish its own work, obeying or anticipating…

>Many things are naturally repulsive, but are indulged out of necessity or gain

Most "naturally repulsive" things were accepted just fine in one society or another.

Aristole spent time to defend and rationalize slavery because that was just job, to spend time rationalizing things. Other societies practiced it with no such worries, and found it perfectly natural.

But even if we grant you your "naturally repulsive" actions existing, it doesn't mean they are objectively morally wrong. Just that their moral judgement is not just based on culture and historical period, but also on evolutionary adaptations. These could very well be considered fine in an earlier/later evolutionary stage (in an earlier one, for sure: animals don't have such qualms).

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Post by left-struck »

lopis wrote: post #156

Google Play is plagued with these ads and they are just scams most of the times. You search for an app and get ads from similarly names apps, apps with visually similar icons, ebooks to use the app you searched, etc. They prey on the less tech savvy to install this spam. There's zero user value in them.

When you think about it, why should you trust any app that tries to trick you when you’re looking for something else? It’s such awful behaviour, I don’t want any part of it, I don’t want to reward it so in any place where I can’t forcibly remove this trash I go out of my way to never click on the ad results even if in the rare case it’s exactly what I searched for.

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Post by soared »

dewey wrote: post #190
al_borland wrote: post #3

I’m really not a fan of this direction for Apple. One of the differentiators between iOS and Google was a lack of ads, which make the experience feel more premium. Increasing ads, or having them at all, really erodes the user experience. Apple managed to become the most valuable company in the world without ads. Adding them after hitting that milestone feels either greedy or desperate, maybe a little of both. I know…

They already plaster iOS with ads...just for their own services and it's disguised as a system feature. It's especially obvious if you don't subscribe to paid iCloud and see ads for "Apple Arcade", "Increase iCloud Drive storage space", "Sign up for Apple Music", "Have you heard of Apple Fitness+" or "New show on Apple TV+"-push notifications everywhere. Something that in theory they discourage to use these for promo…

Syncing that new pair of AirPods you just bought? Yup - Apple Music free trial ad.

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Post by soared »

hagbard_c wrote: post #121
fainpul wrote: post #88

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You picked a bad example. The iPod was very innovative (first time you could have all your music with you on the go – instead of having to decide on a tiny selection before you leave home and slowly upload it to your player). But yeah, that was decades ago. And with Jobs, innovation has left.

The first iPod had 5 GB of storage, less than e.g. the Creative Nomad Jukebox which had 6 GB. If you were around at the time you may remember the (in)famous verdict of CmdrTaco [1]: . No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame. So no, the fruit factory did not produce the first device which could haul your entire music collection. What they did is what has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread: they took an existin…

That’s a really cool link! One guy predicted it very well:

> Second, I think Apple is using this as a "sneaky" device to sneak large capacity hard drives into our pockets. Basically, once we're used to carrying around something like this, they can build on it. Add the PalmOS or OSX/CE (OK, bad joke, but you get the idea) and you have a PDA with more massive storage than any other. Add a firewire connection to some optics and you have a video camera with 10 hours of battery life, smaller and easier to conceal than Sony's smallest. The thing I like about the video camera idea is that with tapeless storage, editing is much, much faster, and with the disk unit in your pocket, the camera can be really tiny and lightweight and still have a lot of features. Basically, once they up the drive capacity to 20GB (maybe 3-6 months?), that's enough for 90 minutes of broadcast quality digital video, enough for almost any common event! Think about it. This is just an iSeed iPod. Many other things can and probably will grow out of it.

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Post by WD-42 »

fireflash38 wrote: post #173
pmontra wrote: post #124

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Well, my Androids do not have ads because I can install Firefox with uBO and Blockada to block ads even inside apps. I don't know if uBO works in Safari and I don't know if iOS allows for something like Blockada. In doubt (and for other reasons,) I'm on Android. However I'm not the typical user. The typical buyers just want an iPhone or do not want one, like they want one brand of shoes or a brand of bags, no technic…

For now. With Google blocking ad block ability on their browsers, what's to stop them from blocking ad blockers in their OS?

Because they don’t restrict what web browser engines you can run on android, so Firefox is actually Firefox there.

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Post by pseudalopex »

coldtea wrote: post #211
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #163

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It's not clearly labeled, it is a very small label with white text on a pale blue background in an already very busy UI. It is clearly made to look like a real search result and not an ad. On top of this, the screenshots are clearly made to mislead the user into thinking that this is the officiel Microsoft authenticator app by having a large text saying "Authenticator for Microsoft" and a second screenshot with a "Mi…

> It's not clearly labeled, it is a very small label with white text on a pale blue background in an already very busy UI. You piled a whole lot of arguments, but doesn't change the fact that it's still clearly labelled. Besides, you only need to notice this box once to be able to tell whether something marked the same way is an ad or not in the future. You're absolutely right on the real problem: it's allowed to pre…

> the fact

Your opinion.

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Post by Towaway69 »

willis936 wrote: post #164
Towaway69 wrote: post #33

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How does market capitalism work again? Shareholders what higher ROI each quarter. Where does that come from? Profits. Where do profits come from? Selling data, innovation, selling hardware, etc. Biggest profit margins come from selling stuff you have to multiple buyers that costs you nothing to duplicate/produce. My data can be sold to multiple buyers, multiple times to make that magic profit that shareholders want.…

Where do profits fall? In several quarters when users vote with their wallet and let you know about your decisions to disrespect them and reduce their trust in you. It isn't about maximizing profits, otherwise they wouldn't make shortsighted choices. It's cashing in on goodwill that took decades to build. We are a far cry from "only the paranoid survive".

If you lower the standard to such a level that every “wallet vote” would actually be worse, how does one cast ones vote then?

Does Android have less ads? Which company does hardware integration so well? What are the alternative to an Apple tech stack?

So in the end, the consumer is left to sucking it up, counting their shareholder profits and suffering on a remote island in the sun.

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