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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by b112 »

rbits wrote: post #200
darkwater wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In which country are you seeing that? For me the biggest offender are usually Google products and sometimes the lazy-coded website written by incompetents and whose audience is the tech illiterate (i.e. some websites involving schools/teaching) that just tell you "use latest Chrome just to be sure, download here" to, well, just be sure. Notable mentions for government websites that are like 10 years in the past and t…

I live in Australia and I can't log into government services using my myGov account on Firefox. Works fine on Chromium.

Wow. Force-Supporting the same company they're battling daily, on multiple issues.

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Post by colesantiago »

Ender-events wrote: post #184
colesantiago wrote: post #38

The state of Mozilla's current 'products': Firefox Mozilla VPN Mozilla Monitor Firefox Relay MDN Plus Thunderbird - Some of these products are just repackaged partnerships. - Firefox - Funded by Google with the search partnership bringing in $500M in revenue. (free) Mozilla VPN - Repackaged Mullvad VPN and using Mullvad servers. Mozilla Monitor - Repackaged HaveIBeenPwned. (free) Firefox Relay - No different to Simpl…

Firefox relay is open source ( https://github.com/mozilla/fx-private-relay ) and have paid plan (1€/month)

Even worse?

That means people can self host (for privacy and incase the private relays are unstable) and not give money to Mozilla.

Besides 1€/month is not going to cover anything of the costs to run the service.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by mystraline »

p-e-w wrote: post #137
matwood wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of being CEO/running a business is considering all options, but it doesn't mean it will ever move beyond the ROI/risk phase. Ever read one of the risk assessments in a companies public filings? It's the same thing.

All options that are in line with the organization’s mission. The CEO of an organization like Mozilla even considering blocking adblockers for profit is like the president of Amnesty International considering to sell lists of dissidents to the secret police.

But the secret police said they would "real good care" of those dissidents, while sliding double the money initially offered.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by orphea »

arealaccount wrote: post #152
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d happily pay $100 a year for Firefox WITH an adblocker as long as part of the money is put towards ongoing internet freedom and preventing attestation

Orion browser is a thing

There are operating systems other than macOS.

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Post by Phelinofist »

nrhrjrjrjtntbt wrote: post #158
some_furry wrote: post #15

This Mozilla fiasco has convinced me that being a nonprofit isn't enough. We need a web browser that is actively hostile towards corporations and surveillance capitalism.

man curl

> hostile towards corporations and surveillance capitalism

... they said. Not against users.

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Post by JoeJonathan »

nialv7 wrote: post #81
lxgr wrote: post #41

>> He says he could begin to block ad blockers in Firefox and estimates that’d bring in another $150 million, but he doesn’t want to do that. It feels off-mission. > It may be just me, but I read this as “I don't want to but I'll kill AdBlockers in Firefox for buckerinos ”. Yes, that does seem like a pretty uncharitable interpretation of that quote. I read it as "we won't do it, even though it would bring in $150M US…

The interpretation is not the problem. Whether he will do it, is actually secondary to the fact that he thinks cutting adblock can bringing in money. No, it will just kill the browser. The fact he thinks otherwise tells me how out of touch he is.

Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

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Post by animuchan »

torben-friis wrote: post #95
lxgr wrote: post #41

>> He says he could begin to block ad blockers in Firefox and estimates that’d bring in another $150 million, but he doesn’t want to do that. It feels off-mission. > It may be just me, but I read this as “I don't want to but I'll kill AdBlockers in Firefox for buckerinos ”. Yes, that does seem like a pretty uncharitable interpretation of that quote. I read it as "we won't do it, even though it would bring in $150M US…

“I wouldn’t sell sexual services. I’ve spent an evening checking the going market rate for someone my age in my area and it’s 2k! Can you believe that? That’s a ton of money! Totally not going to do it though”. It’s an eyebrow raising comment at the very least.

The OP doesn't even say "Totally not going to do it", merely "it feels off-mission", so a vibe check away from doing it.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by kgwxd »

lxgr wrote: post #41

>> He says he could begin to block ad blockers in Firefox and estimates that’d bring in another $150 million, but he doesn’t want to do that. It feels off-mission. > It may be just me, but I read this as “I don't want to but I'll kill AdBlockers in Firefox for buckerinos ”. Yes, that does seem like a pretty uncharitable interpretation of that quote. I read it as "we won't do it, even though it would bring in $150M US…

Mentioning it is just the first of many softening phases. Its abuse 101. At some point we'll have "made him do it".

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Post by agumonkey »

JoeJonathan wrote: post #226
nialv7 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interpretation is not the problem. Whether he will do it, is actually secondary to the fact that he thinks cutting adblock can bringing in money. No, it will just kill the browser. The fact he thinks otherwise tells me how out of touch he is.

Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

and funnily enough uBO author didn't want any money even though he's making our lives a lot better
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