Does LG have a customer feedback page or anything similar?
Even if they do, I'd assume they wouldn't read any of that feedback and just keep doing what they are doing anyway.
Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted
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*If you have one that hasn't updated itself since last year.
It boggles my mind why anyone would update anything in 2025. Most products are shipped with full feature set and then updates ensure enshittification. The security argument doesn't apply because classic hacks rarely happen, it's mostly social engineering.
Should we assume by anything you mean edge devices? You don't update your PC? Your phone?
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This is 100% the why.
Whenever I see this much vehement agreement about something on HN, it sets off serious groupthink alarm bells. Idk what the answer is, but it is not 100% this. It’s too simple and satisfying of an answer to be true.
You don't think the reason we have seemingly broken optimization is because poorly thought out metrics are being gamed?
That's all its been for the last few decades. Everyone is now "data driven" and "metrics oriented". That's a footgun - if people can game it, they will, and numbers don't say what people think they say.
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#224My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…
It frustrates me that this is where we have come too.
I refuse to connect any of my TV's to the internet but I have to wonder how long until a few different things happen:
- The TV's just connect to unsecure Wifi and collect the data anyways (I think there were reports of at least one manufacture already doing this at one point?). Or just make a deal with xfinity to use their mesh network that seems to be everywhere.
- The TV's don't work without being connected to the internet.
- The manufactures find out that the cost of adding in a cellular modem is justified by the increase in data they can collect.
I would love the idea of buying a modern TV without any of this crap shoved in, I happily use my Apple TV for everything that isnt video games.
It bothers me though when it seems like to fix an issue with HDR or something I need to update the firmware. I have wondered on occasion if this is intentional to "force" people to connect. If I have to do this I will run an ethernet cable to temporarily connect.
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What do you think of Nvidia Shield? I haven't tried it, but I think it should also belong to 2). It's clearly much more expensive than a FireTV, but as you say it shouldn't be subsidized by ads. As an Android device it should be more open than an Apple TV. While I recognize the near flawless UI and high hardware quality of most Apple devices, I disagree with their "golden cage" or walled garden approach.
I see many people liking their shield, and with good reason it seems, but is it a worthy ecosystem to buy in to when it has not seen a new hardware revision since 2019?
This. The lack of a Shield hardware refresh seems insane.
I get Nvidia (the company) has other priorities with higher revenue.
But they have a product, with proven product-market fit, that gives them a last mile connection with end users, in one of the highest utilization home spaces.
How has no one at Nvidia looked at that and said "I'm not saying we orient our entire focus around it, but shouldn't we at least fund it as a strategic priority?"
If datacenter revenue falls off, it's going to look awfully short-sighted not to have diversified customer base when they had the chance.
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> I'm so much happier using the Apple TV. Then it is Apple that is harvesting your data. They may or may not display ads (I don't have an AppleTV to check), but they are certainly logging your interactions and possibly selling that data with third parties. That is on top of all the data Apple already has on people using iPhones, and the reason why I will never use anything other than a free/libre ROM like Graphene or…
> Then it is Apple that is harvesting your data. They quite literally have settings to disable that. There are no ads in the operating system. https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/tv/atvb66239fa1/tvos I'm sure some conspiratorial thinking would lead people to the conclusion that Apple are secretly tracking and selling data. There is no evidence to suggest this is happening. It's probably the next best thing to setti…
You can convert dolby vision content while preserving the enhancement layer on Linux, and play that. It's kinda of a pain but easily automated.
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#227Put your "smart" TV behind a Linux HTPC or a free/libre Android ROM and never, ever allow it to communicate over the Internet.
> ... and never, ever allow it to communicate over the Internet. I'm pretty sure they're working on solving that problem.
Doubt it, 99% of consumers will connect it to the internet. The remaining 1% will be blocking ads everywhere making the data rather useless and potentially poisoned.
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#228Smart TVs are maybe the dumbest product innovation of my lifetime. Ruining a perfectly good appliance with the addition of software. In 2025 it's literally a luxury experience to deal with computer bs less.
At first I was going to disagree, because having the compute built into the TV makes some sense, but thinking about it made me change my mind. A modern TV has a lifetime of 15 - 20 years I think. E.g. my in-laws have a Sony TV, from around 2012 - 2013. It's not 4K obviously, but the picture is beautiful, the sound perfectly fills their small living room, it's a great TV. Even considering that Sony did skimp on the co…
Fortunately you can still by an external unit and plug it in
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#229My TV only gets internet access when there is a firmware update I care about
If it's not online, why would there ever be a firmware update you care about?
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#230My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…
What's wrong with Roku? They have a few ads here and there but I've always found the interface to be super slick. And they aren't Google, so not as harmful to share my data with? (a big assumption, I know)
I wouldn't assume Roku is better to share your data with. Google uses your data to feed their own algorithms instead of just straight up selling it. Their incentive is to keep the data internal so they alone can extract value from it.
Roku just directly sells it to anyone who wants it: https://advertising.roku.com/learn/resources/roku-unveils-da...