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Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by true2octave »

embedding-shape wrote: post #4

Look interesting, eager to play around with it! Devstral was a neat model when it released and one of the better ones to run locally for agentic coding. Nowadays I mostly use GPT-OSS-120b for this, so gonna be interesting to see if Devstral 2 can replace it. I'm a bit saddened by the name of the CLI tool, which to me implies the intended usage. "Vibe-coding" is a fun exercise to realize where models go wrong, but for…

High quality code is a thing from the past

What matters is high quality specifications including test cases

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by zmmmmm »

embedding-shape wrote: post #186
zmmmmm wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Aider is closest to what you want. The chat interface is optimal to me because you often are asking questions and seeking guidance or proposals as you are making actual code changes. On reason I do like it is that its default mode of operation is to make a commit for each change it makes. So it is extremely clear what the AI did vs what you did vs what is a hodge podge of both. As others have mentioned, you c…

> I think Aider is closest to what you want. > The chat interface Seems very much not, if it's still a chat interface :) Figuring out a chat UX is easy compared to something that was creating with letting LLM fill in some parts from the beginning. I guess I'm searching for something with a different paradigm than just "chat + $Something".

the question is, how do you want to provide instructions for what the AI is to do? You might not like calling it "chat" but somehow you need to communicate that, right? With aider you can write a comment for a function and then instruct it to finish the function inline (see other comments). But unless you just want pure autocomplete based on it guessing things, you need to provide guidance to it somehow.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by embedding-shape »

true2octave wrote: post #221
embedding-shape wrote: post #4

Look interesting, eager to play around with it! Devstral was a neat model when it released and one of the better ones to run locally for agentic coding. Nowadays I mostly use GPT-OSS-120b for this, so gonna be interesting to see if Devstral 2 can replace it. I'm a bit saddened by the name of the CLI tool, which to me implies the intended usage. "Vibe-coding" is a fun exercise to realize where models go wrong, but for…

High quality code is a thing from the past What matters is high quality specifications including test cases

> High quality code is a thing from the past

Says the person who will find themselves unable to change the software even in the slightest way without having to large refactors across everything at the same time.

High quality code matters more than ever, would be my argument. The second you let the LLM sneak in some quick hack/patch instead of correctly solving the problem, is the second you invite it to continue doing that always.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by embedding-shape »

zmmmmm wrote: post #222
embedding-shape wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think Aider is closest to what you want. > The chat interface Seems very much not, if it's still a chat interface :) Figuring out a chat UX is easy compared to something that was creating with letting LLM fill in some parts from the beginning. I guess I'm searching for something with a different paradigm than just "chat + $Something".

the question is, how do you want to provide instructions for what the AI is to do? You might not like calling it "chat" but somehow you need to communicate that, right? With aider you can write a comment for a function and then instruct it to finish the function inline (see other comments). But unless you just want pure autocomplete based on it guessing things, you need to provide guidance to it somehow.

I don't know exactly, but I guess in a more declarative manner rather than anything. Maybe we set goals/milestones/concrete objectives, or similar, rather than imperatively steer it, give it space to experiment yet make it very easy to understand exactly what important tradeoffs everything is doing.

It's all very fluffy and theoretical of course.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by lostmsu »

tgtweak wrote: post #207
princehonest wrote: post #79

Let's say you had a hardware budget of $5,000. What machine would you buy or build to run Devstral Small 2? The HuggingFace page claims it can run on a Mac with 32 GB of memory or an RTX 4090. What kind of tokens per second would you get on each? What about DGX Spark? What about RTX 5090 or Pro series? What about external GPUs on Oculink with a mini PC?

dual 3090's (24GB each) on 8x+8x pcie has been a really reliable setup for me (with nvlink bridge... even though it's relatively low bandwidth compared to tesla nvlink, it's better than going over pcie!) 48GB of vram and lots of cuda cores, hard to beat this value atm. If you want to go even further, you can get an 8x V100 32GB server complete with 512GB ram and nvlink switching for $7000 USD from unixsurplus (ebay.c…

V100 is outdated (no bf16, dropped in CUDA 13) and power hungry (8 cards 3 years continuous use are about $12k of electricity).

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by simonw »

bravetraveler wrote: post #213
simonw wrote: post #209

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I've genuinely been answering the question "what if the labs are training on your pelican benchmark" 3-4 times a week for several months at this point. I wrote that piece precisely so I didn't have to copy and paste the same arguments into dozens of different conversations.

Oh, no . Does this policing job pay well? /s Seriously: less is more, trust the process, any number of platitudes work here. Who are you defending against? Readers, right? You wrote your thing, defended it with more of the thing. It'll permeate. Or it won't. Does it matter? You could be done, nothing is making you defend this (sorry) asinine benchmark across the internet. Not trying to (m|y)uck your yum, or whatever.…

You don't have to convince me the pelican riding a bicycle SVG benchmark is asinine. That's kind of the point!

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by bravetraveler »

simonw wrote: post #226
bravetraveler wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, no . Does this policing job pay well? /s Seriously: less is more, trust the process, any number of platitudes work here. Who are you defending against? Readers, right? You wrote your thing, defended it with more of the thing. It'll permeate. Or it won't. Does it matter? You could be done, nothing is making you defend this (sorry) asinine benchmark across the internet. Not trying to (m|y)uck your yum, or whatever.…

You don't have to convince me the pelican riding a bicycle SVG benchmark is asinine. That's kind of the point!

Having read the followup post being linked, I'm even more confused. Commenting or, really, anything seems even less worthwhile. That's my point.

You bring the benchmark and anticipated their... cheesing, with a promise to catch them on it. Cool announcement of an announcement. Just do that [or don't]. In a hippy sense, this is no longer yours. It's out there. Like everything else anyone wrote.

Let the LLM people train on your test. Catch them as claimed. Publish again. Huzzah, industry without overtime in the comments. It makes sense/cents to position yourself this way :)

Obviously they're going to train on anything they can get. They did. Mouse, meet cat. Some of us in the house would love it if y'all would keep it down! This is 90s rap beef all over again

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by aimanbenbaha »

esafak wrote: post #153
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #97

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No this is comparable to Deepseek-v3.2 even on their highlight task, with significantly worse general ability. And it's priced 5x of that.

It's open source; the price is up to the provider, and I do not see any on openrouter yet. ̶G̶i̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶d̶e̶v̶s̶t̶r̶a̶l̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶s̶m̶a̶l̶l̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶i̶m̶a̶g̶i̶n̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶,̶ ̶l̶e̶t̶ ̶a̶l̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶5̶x̶.̶ ̶I̶f̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶D̶e̶e̶p̶S̶e̶e̶k̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶5̶x̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶s̶t̶.̶ edit: Mea culpa. I missed the active vs dense differe…

Deepseek v3.2 is that cheap because its attention mechanism is ridiculously efficient.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by charcircuit »

bravetraveler wrote: post #178
dugidugout wrote: post #144

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Condescending and disrespectful to whom? Everybody wholsale? This doesnt seem reasonable? Please elaborate.

Not sure if I'd use the same descriptions so pointedly , but I can see what they mean. It's perfectly fine to link for convenience, but it does feel a little disrespectful/SEO-y to not 'continue the conversation' . A summary in the very least, how exactly it pertains. Sell us. In a sense, link-dropping [alone] is saying: "go read this and establish my rhetorical/social position, I'm done here" Imagine meeting an auth…

If you want a summary you can have your ai assistant summarize the link.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by bravetraveler »

charcircuit wrote: post #229
bravetraveler wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if I'd use the same descriptions so pointedly , but I can see what they mean. It's perfectly fine to link for convenience, but it does feel a little disrespectful/SEO-y to not 'continue the conversation' . A summary in the very least, how exactly it pertains. Sell us. In a sense, link-dropping [alone] is saying: "go read this and establish my rhetorical/social position, I'm done here" Imagine meeting an auth…

If you want a summary you can have your ai assistant summarize the link.

Woooooosh, please see if an LLM can help you. I'm not getting paid for this
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