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Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by epolanski »

bdangubic wrote: post #216
epolanski wrote: post #215

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I write software and use computers from ages, but put me in front of any app I haven't authored and I have no clue how to do things. Often I find that apps have features only because I see others using the application. Make me do anything on applications banking/government/delivery-related and I have to ask family members.

haven’t authored or just don’t use? I would assume that tools that you use you know inside and out (e.g. Code or IntelliJ)

You might be onto something, because interestingly I don't think there's any software at all I know inside out or have ever mastered.

I've used everything from DAWs, image editors, IDEs, terminal emulators, operating systems, dev tools, spreadsheets and I'm quite sure I've never went much in depth in any of them.

I'm not like that on the abstract level.

I know the ins and outs of functional programming concepts and their mathematical definitions, many deep details of programming languages or their compilers and many other things but I suck at tooling.

It's not just IT-related.

I can explain thoroughly the chemistry of dough making (which is far from simple), but I never got very good at making it, so friends of mine that know nothing about how it works still make better bread or pizza than I do.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by MonkeyClub »

jll29 wrote: post #129
jasongill wrote: post #75

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I met RMS at the Atlanta Linux Showcase in 1998. In the area with vendor booths in the lobby area of the show, he had laid down a blanket and was sitting in the middle with his legs crossed. He had printed copies of man pages printed and stapled together with covers laid out in front of him. I walked up and introduced myself and said that I was a big fan, appreciated his hard work, etc. He looked at me coldly and jus…

I met RMS at a lunch in his honor at an Edinburgh vegetarian restaurant with very high ranking scholars/academics present, after an invited talk of his. Everyone was talking, eating, drinking and having a good time, whereas he was sitting at the head of the table doing email on his ThinkPad (yes, in text mode). So I walked up, I introduced myself and asked a question about the freedom of _data_ versus the freedom of…

> without looking up to me he said "I don't do smalltalk".

Duh, obviously, he only lisps. /s

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by bdangubic »

epolanski wrote: post #221
bdangubic wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

haven’t authored or just don’t use? I would assume that tools that you use you know inside and out (e.g. Code or IntelliJ)

You might be onto something, because interestingly I don't think there's any software at all I know inside out or have ever mastered. I've used everything from DAWs, image editors, IDEs, terminal emulators, operating systems, dev tools, spreadsheets and I'm quite sure I've never went much in depth in any of them. I'm not like that on the abstract level. I know the ins and outs of functional programming concepts and t…

fascinating!

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by manmal »

torginus wrote: post #210
jasongill wrote: post #75

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I met RMS at the Atlanta Linux Showcase in 1998. In the area with vendor booths in the lobby area of the show, he had laid down a blanket and was sitting in the middle with his legs crossed. He had printed copies of man pages printed and stapled together with covers laid out in front of him. I walked up and introduced myself and said that I was a big fan, appreciated his hard work, etc. He looked at me coldly and jus…

I guess if you are popular and an introvert who likes to be left alone, then being nice and personable is not an option :)

That’s clearly not only introversion, but (probably little masked) autism.

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Post by manmal »

knollimar wrote: post #155
tormeh wrote: post #111

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Industrial IoT is far from useless. Consumer IoT is pretty dumb, but let's not get too sad about the IoT as a whole.

Wireless light switches are pretty cool. Digitally,wirelessly controlled light bulbs are neat. That's about it.

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Wearables are amazing as well.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by manmal »

mmsimanga wrote: post #143
zvmaz wrote: post #56

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"I don't know how to make a screenshot" Linus Torvalds often says that he does not know how to do X (like install a Linux distribution, or other simple stuff). I wager that it's a status thing.

You could be right but I would like to put forward another possible reason. They could be telling the truth. I studied computer science late 90s and to this day I cannot use MS Excel beyond summing a column of numbers. To make matters worse I work in data engineering space. So people often assume I do not want to help them when I tell them I cannot help them with their fancy spreadsheets. I have never owned a Mac boo…

I thought Excel is the bread and butter in your space. How is this possible?

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by Loocid »

zvmaz wrote: post #56
gentooflux wrote: post #3

RMS could have taken a photo of his screen, or done something cheeky like dump his screen to a padded ASCII text file and submitted that. Stick in the mud.

"I don't know how to make a screenshot" Linus Torvalds often says that he does not know how to do X (like install a Linux distribution, or other simple stuff). I wager that it's a status thing.

When did Linus say he doesn't know how to install a distro? My understanding is he's only said he prefers to use simple to install distros.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by FireBeyond »

tomnipotent wrote: post #194
FireBeyond wrote: post #182

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> I've seen him not being super nice to other people who were trying to have a conversation with him, not because he's not a nice person (I found him quite personable one on one), but it seems to me that he struggles to know how to behave around people who don't know how to just talk to him about things he wants to talk about. I'd argue that while he may be nice, it's also generally considered impolite to be someone…

You don't owe random strangers your time, and it's so strange to me that people feel so entitled to other peoples time. Can also be argued that it's rude to engage a person on a topic they're not interested in.

I do, to an extent, agree. But I also think it's impolite to have relationships where "we're going to talk about what I want to talk about, but when we go to talk about what you want to talk about I'm just going to pick up my laptop and ignore you or tell you I don't want to".

You could argue, in your description, the same about RMS - he might feel entitled to someone's time to talk about free software.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by latexr »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #157
latexr wrote: post #144

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He’s also fairly arrogant and unreasonable in various interactions¹, forcing people to bend over backwards to accommodate his requests. He puts off a lot of people and severely harms his own movement by making people who are not part of it think he’s gross, both physically (the infamous picking something of his feet and eating it) and intellectually (I have examples in mind but don’t wish to start a flame war). What…

> please do a cursory web search Each person reading this might come up with some different in their search. Do you have a specific example to point to?

The point is precisely that there are plenty of stories, there’s no need to single out any of them. Look for his treatment of women or while being a house guest. Heck, you can even read about disappointing (if minor) interactions in this very submission. I won’t link to them specifically because I remember more than one woman mentioning how they were harassed by Stallman fans after telling their stories. I have no desire to contribute further to that, I’m sure you’re capable of coming up with the searches yourself, it’s not remotely hard.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by tomnipotent »

FireBeyond wrote: post #228
tomnipotent wrote: post #194

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You don't owe random strangers your time, and it's so strange to me that people feel so entitled to other peoples time. Can also be argued that it's rude to engage a person on a topic they're not interested in.

I do, to an extent, agree. But I also think it's impolite to have relationships where "we're going to talk about what I want to talk about, but when we go to talk about what you want to talk about I'm just going to pick up my laptop and ignore you or tell you I don't want to". You could argue, in your description, the same about RMS - he might feel entitled to someone's time to talk about free software.

There is no relationship if you're never going to see these people again. My time is my most precious resource, and I'm not obligated to give it away because someone thinks their initiation of a conversation needs to be reciprocated.

RMS set boundaries and that's perfectly reasonable.

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