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It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by nunobrito »

xxs wrote: post #201
mikepurvis wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is groovy actually really "adopted" much of anywhere? I feel like for 99% of normal people, their only real exposure to it is as the DSL of gradle and jenkins. I can't imagine writing anything of substance primarily in groovy.

>I can't imagine writing anything of substance primarily in groovy. That's solely based on a poor imagination, not trying...

Have to agree with the previous person. Never saw a relevant project made from Groovy. Even with Beanshell I've included it a few times in other projects for basic scripting/customization within the app but groovy? Never in 15 years to now.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by sionisrecur »

dev0p wrote: post #208
alberth wrote: post #177

Silly question: how are people negatively impacted by the trademark of "JavaScript"? Because in practice, isn't this a bit like "Kleenex" - where everyone knows you mean "tissue" (EMCAScript).

The fact that you wrote it wrong is hilariously ironic. JavaScript is simply the better term, and marketing is everything. Reminds me of Java's POJOs, which was a very simple pattern that no one used, until someone gave them a fancy name. ECMAScript is a horrible technical name. Might as well call it ACMEScript considering how willie e. coyote it feels to develop with it...

Call it "Jay Ess". Everyone does already.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by TeaVMFan »

StableAlkyne wrote: post #181
alberth wrote: post #177

Silly question: how are people negatively impacted by the trademark of "JavaScript"? Because in practice, isn't this a bit like "Kleenex" - where everyone knows you mean "tissue" (EMCAScript).

It's less the fact that someone owns JS's trademark, and more that it's specifically Oracle (they got it when they bought Sun). Oracle is an incredibly litigious company. Their awful reputation in this respect means that the JS ecosystem can never be sure they won't swoop in and attempt to demand rent someday. This is made worse by the army of lawyers they employ; even if they're completely in the wrong, whatever pro…

The incredibly litigious company here is Deno. Deno sued on a whim, realized they were massively unprepared, then asked the public to fund a legal campaign that will benefit Deno themselves, a for-profit, VC-backed company.

This personal vendetta will likely end with the community unable to use the term JavaScript. Nobody should support this.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by embedding-shape »

brabel wrote: post #132
embedding-shape wrote: post #42

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> and now both Java and JavaScript are owned by "Now" makes it sound like this is a recent acquisition of the JavaScript trademark. Oracle obtained it in 2009 as a result of the Sun purchase and if I remember correctly, Sun initially was issued the trademark back in the 90s sometimes.

You should consider reading the article.

You should consider including whatever point you are trying to make in the comment itself, instead of just a swipe without any details.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by newsoftheday »

someguyiguess wrote: post #128
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

EcmaScript is an awful name. It sounds too similar to eczema or ectoplasm. Ugly name.

Agreed. WebScript would be better.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by riwsky »

amelius wrote: post #217
StableAlkyne wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's less the fact that someone owns JS's trademark, and more that it's specifically Oracle (they got it when they bought Sun). Oracle is an incredibly litigious company. Their awful reputation in this respect means that the JS ecosystem can never be sure they won't swoop in and attempt to demand rent someday. This is made worse by the army of lawyers they employ; even if they're completely in the wrong, whatever pro…

At this point I'm going to assume that adding -Script to a trademarked name allows me to use that name freely.

JavaScriptScript?

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by jakelazaroff »

TeaVMFan wrote: post #223
StableAlkyne wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's less the fact that someone owns JS's trademark, and more that it's specifically Oracle (they got it when they bought Sun). Oracle is an incredibly litigious company. Their awful reputation in this respect means that the JS ecosystem can never be sure they won't swoop in and attempt to demand rent someday. This is made worse by the army of lawyers they employ; even if they're completely in the wrong, whatever pro…

The incredibly litigious company here is Deno. Deno sued on a whim, realized they were massively unprepared, then asked the public to fund a legal campaign that will benefit Deno themselves, a for-profit, VC-backed company. This personal vendetta will likely end with the community unable to use the term JavaScript. Nobody should support this.

> This personal vendetta will likely end with the community unable to use the term JavaScript. Nobody should support this.

Why would that be the case, if not for Oracle's litigiousness?

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by rdiddly »

nextaccountic wrote: post #142
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

Filename extension is .js, mime type is text/javascript, millions of people call it javascript. I don't see this changing anytime soon Unrelated but, the JavaScript capitalization is so odd

Everything seemed to be Pascal case back then.
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