Will Google sell TPUs that can be plugged into stock hardware, or custom hardware with lots of TPUs? Our customers want all their video processing to happen on site, and don't want their video or other data to touch the cloud, so they're not happy about renting cloud TPUs or GPUs. Also it would be nice to have smart cameras with built-in TPUs.
Why don't your customers trust Google Cloud?
TPUs vs. GPUs and why Google is positioned to win AI race in the long term
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Re: TPUs vs. GPUs and why Google is positioned to win AI race in the long term
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google Hangouts wasn't small. Google+ was big and supposedly "the future" and is the canonical example of a huge misallocation of resources. Google will have no problem discontinuing Google "AI" if they finally notice that people want a computer to shut up rather than talk at them.
> Google+ was big how you define big? My understanding they failed to compete with facebook, and decided to redirect resources somewhere else.
Re: TPUs vs. GPUs and why Google is positioned to win AI race in the long term
#223I always enjoy being wrong and I was very wrong in my predictions about Google : I thought they should theoretically win, but I was also very confident they couldn't possibly turn their execution ship around to actually pull together a coherent competitor to OpenAI. But they do seem to have done that and it's very impressive. If they do continue to execute, I can't see anybody stopping them dominating and I would be…
Yes, but Google will never be able to compete with their greatest challenge... Google's attention span.
Re: TPUs vs. GPUs and why Google is positioned to win AI race in the long term
#224I don't think what the article writes about matters all that much. Gemini 3 Pro is arguably not even the best model anymore, and it's _weeks_ old, and Google has far more resources than Anthropic does. If the hardware actually was the secret sauce, Google would be wiping the floor with little everyone else. But they're not. There's a few confounding problems: 1. Actually using that hardware effectively isn't easy. It…
They are using that hardware to wipe the floor with everyone if you look at the price per million tokens.
Re: TPUs vs. GPUs and why Google is positioned to win AI race in the long term
#225I always enjoy being wrong and I was very wrong in my predictions about Google : I thought they should theoretically win, but I was also very confident they couldn't possibly turn their execution ship around to actually pull together a coherent competitor to OpenAI. But they do seem to have done that and it's very impressive. If they do continue to execute, I can't see anybody stopping them dominating and I would be…
The LLM provider I trust the most right now is AWS. Anybody else seems to have very conflicted purposes when it comes to sending them my data and interactions.
Re: TPUs vs. GPUs and why Google is positioned to win AI race in the long term
#226If Google won, it would cannibalize its current ad-driven business and replace it with something that is extremely expensive to run and difficult to make profit from. A Pyrrhic win essentially.
Re: TPUs vs. GPUs and why Google is positioned to win AI race in the long term
#227Cerebras CS-3 specs:
• 4 trillion transistors
• 900,000 AI cores
• 125 petaflops of peak AI performance
• 44GB on-chip SRAM
• 5nm TSMC process
• External memory: 1.5TB, 12TB, or 1.2PB
• Trains AI models up to 24 trillion parameters
• Cluster size of up to 2048 CS-3 systems
• Memory B/W of 21 PB/s
• Fabric B/W of 214 Pb/s (~26.75 PB/s)
Comparing GPU to TPU is helpful for showcasing the advantages of the TPU in the same way that comparing CPU to Radeon GPU is helpful for showcasing the advantages of GPU, but everyone knows Radeon GPU's competition isn't CPU, it's Nvidia GPU!
TPU vs GPU is new paradigm vs old paradigm. GPUs aren't going away even after they "lose" the AI inference wars, but the winner isn't necessarily guaranteed to be the new paradigm chip from the most famous company.
Cerebras inference remains the fastest on the market to this day to my knowledge due to the use of massive on-chip SRAM rather than DRAM, and to my knowledge, they remain the only company focused on specialized inference hardware that has enough positive operating revenue to justify the costs from a financial perspective.
I get how valuable and important Google's OCS interconnects are, not just for TPUs or inference, but really as a demonstrated PoC for computing in general. Skipping the E-O-E translation in general is huge and the entire computing hardware industry would stand to benefit from taking notes here, but that alone doesn't automatically crown Google the victor here, does it?
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
You say that like I d a bad thing. Nvidia architectures keep changing and getting more advanced as well, with specialized tensor operations, different accumulators and caches, etc. I see no issue with progress.
That’s missing the point. Things like tensor cores were added in parallel with improvements to existing computer and CUDA kernels from 10 years ago generally run without modification. Hardware architecture may change, but Nvidia has largely avoided changing how you interact with it.
Just because it's still called CUDA doesn't mean it's portable over a not-that-long of a timeframe.
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It's telling that basically all of Google's successful projects were either acquisitions or were sponsored directly by the founders (or sometimes, were acquisitions that were directly sponsored by the founders). Those are the only situations where you are immune from the performance review & promotion process.
They've actually had many very successful projects that make the few products and acquisitions you are thinking of work. It's true most of their end products don't work or get abandoned but it stretches their infrastructure in ways that works out well in the long run
Re: TPUs vs. GPUs and why Google is positioned to win AI race in the long term
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s missing the point. Things like tensor cores were added in parallel with improvements to existing computer and CUDA kernels from 10 years ago generally run without modification. Hardware architecture may change, but Nvidia has largely avoided changing how you interact with it.
Modern CUDA programs that hit roofline look absolutely nothing like those from 10 or even 5 years ago. Or even 2 if you’re on Blackwell.