Isn't every browser on iOS restricted to being a safari/webview shell?
This news seems to be about the macOS version of Orion reaching 1.0...
Orion 1.0
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Re: Orion 1.0
#222So, the blog post says: > Because something fundamental has been lost. > Zero telemetry, privacy‑first access to the internet: a basic human right. > We believe there needs to be a different path: a browser that answers only to its user. So basically they have just re-invented Firefox Focus and/or Mullvad Browser ? Disable Daily Ping and Crash Reports in Firefox Focus and you too have a telemetry-free browser on iOS.…
> they have just re-invented Firefox Focus
exactly what's the problem with re-inventing?
And they didn't reinvent anything, they pick an under-utilised engine. This is not yet another firefox (or chromium) fork.
Re: Orion 1.0
#223It's worth installing on MacOS just to enjoy the video that plays the first time you start it. It's kinda retro awesome.
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#224I'd love to use Orion but it's just too buggy for me. I downloaded the iOS app to try it out and immediately noticed that when typing in the URL bar, three quarters of it is covered by the toolbar above the keyboard.
I've seen similar issues with Japanese keyboards. If you can please share some details on your setup here or on orionfeedback.org so we can investigate further. Thank you.
I'm using the standard US English keyboard on iOS 26.1. Not sure what other details would be relevant.
Re: Orion 1.0
#225I like the direction and keep checking in on it, but while Orion remains closed source there's no chance of it ever being more than a curiosity for me.
(I work at Kagi, but do not work on Orion) There's a lot of different reasons that people ask for open sourcing of Orion / software in general; could I ask you to expand a bit more as to which issues being open source would address for you? I can assume of course, but I'd rather listen to you articulate it, even if it's usual reasons.
Linux distro portability without having to rely on third-party package management like Flatpak. I'd prefer there'd be independent maintainers and packagers for Debian and Arch and all others.
Re: Orion 1.0
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Orion already weighs 100 MB less than Chrome. You will probably already feel this difference every time you launch it.
> You will probably already feel this difference every time you launch it. How many times a day / week / month do you launch your browser from scratch ? It is also a moot point with modern processors and modern OSs. Even more so in Orion's target macOS market where you can leave an app open without any windows open (not minimized, I mean not open at all) , so its ready to go at a click.
When all my windows are in one big stack (Windows, macOS), then multiple windows just get in the way and I’d agree.
But over the last couple months using better window managers like sway or niri, I tend to open new app/browser windows next to the windows they are related to.
It’s pretty nice for mental organization.
Re: Orion 1.0
#227> Most people switch browsers for one reason: speed. Is that true? Maybe it is and I'm out of the loop but I can't remember the last time someone complained about browser speed. The bottleneck seems to be website bloat more than anything else. Would love to see this argument quantified.
I have definitely switched in iOS to orion for the support of firefox and chrome extensions. Have not the slightest idea how different browsers in mobile compare in speed. But if it was abysmally slow I would have had seconds thoughts about it probably.
Or seconds to think about it
Re: Orion 1.0
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huh? But I see it says "uBlock Origin" when I install it and the UI looks like what I remember from the full version. It says "Firefox" when I check the extensions page, so maybe that's where it manages to bring the full version from.
Yes it lets you do it. It doesn’t work. https://browser.kagi.com/WebExtensions-API-Support.html The webRequest API is key, dns is used, maybe a few more. Looks like the macOS support has improved but iOS may never happen.
uBO is supported on Orion MacOS. On iOS it still depends on Apple.
Re: Orion 1.0
#229I love Kagi, but is this necessary? Another browser, really? I wish they'd spend their eng resources as a small startup on their legitimately great primary product - ad-free search.
We started working on Orion browser before Kagi search. Source: Kagi founder.
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#230Love most of the work you folks are doing, and I am a paying Kagi customer for over a year now. That said, it leaves a salty taste in the mouth to see > Orion is part of the broader Kagi ecosystem and > Supporters (via subscription or lifetime purchase) unlock a set of Orion+ perks I would imagine that paying for Kagi is also a vector for having the paywalled features of your browser.
I think the only perk I ever got from paying for Orion+ in the past was a special badge on my profile on their support forum...