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France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by Bender »

zb3 wrote: post #22
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seem to remember the FBI attempting to compel Apple to decrypt a criminal's iPhone, only for Apple to refuse and claim that it wasn't possible. I'm not sure exactly what happened after that. I think it was suspected that the NSA was able to do it by exploiting an unpatched zero-day. So they didn't need Apple's help anymore and the issue was dropped from the public's eye.

Cellebrite did the job using a vulnerability..

That being JTAG debugging. Now there are greyhat groups discovering what they can do with it beyond bypassing the PIN at power-up. Honestly surprised phones are not being sold/marketed as having that disabled on both bluetooth and USB.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by johnwayne666 »

strcat wrote: post #129
walletdrainer wrote: post #59

The claim in the title of the post is not substantiated in any way. The correct headline here would be ”GrapheneOS worried about France after negative press”

France has threatened us with the same actions they took against SkyECC and Encrochat if we do not cooperate by providing law enforcement access into devices. This was published via Le Parisien in one of their articles and through French state media. They're absolutely threatening us that way.

Can you link these publication containing threats here?

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by themafia »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #192
konmok wrote: post #71

I think your devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.

> devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant This would be an intelligence bonanza. Better: mandatory, encrypted logging. Officials maintain the keys. When they leave office or are subpoenaed, they have the means to grant access. (If they can send and read their messages, they have the keys.) This is how NARA in the U.S. is supposed to work.

They'll just use a private device or off network server. I don't think we're going to "hack" our way into a just society.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by clhodapp »

moffkalast wrote: post #172
cedws wrote: post #130

Remember when they arrested Pavel Durov? I don't buy their official reasoning. Dear European friends, our leaders are tightening the screws. If we don't make our voices heard this is only going to get worse. https://x.com/durov/status/1976420399970701543

You know I didn't use to understand libertarians, but after years of watching boundaries being overstepped again and again I think I see the appeal of burning it all down and living in a cabin in the woods. Like, in Europe we already live in a completely safe society in historical and geographic terms, what more do you fucking want? Security is beyond a laughable excuse for things like chat control. Power tripping el…

The libertarians that want to live in the woods have a point.

The problem is the libertarians that want to burn it all down and build a corpo-state.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by foldr »

vatsachak wrote: post #217
foldr wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really? You can buy knives in London, and any laws regulating knife purchases are UK-wide, nothing to do with London specifically.

Nah, you're right. They title it "knife ban" but they list specific "knifes" that you can't carry, such as a sword (lmao at it being considered a knife) I used to own many butterfly knifes in Middle School. Feels weird that you could be arrested for that in London

Who are 'they'? There is no official thing called a 'knife ban', and again, there are no laws about knives specific to London. There aren't really any laws about anything that are specific to London, as there is no corresponding legislative body.

Swords aren't considered knives, they are considered (correctly) to be bladed, and thus to fall under the scope of various bits of legislation, like this: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/17/section/41

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by einpoklum »

this_user wrote: post #151
dagi3d wrote: post #110

so, they are basically confirming Android and Apple have their backdoors as no arrests or seizures on that matter have taken place

Not really. It's one thing trying to bully a relatively small FOSS project, it's quite something else to take on one of the world's biggest companies that can afford a literal army of lawyers and that also has the power to have the US government intervene on their behalf.

Actually, in some ways, it is easier to bully large companies - because those companies are less flexible in avoiding confrontation with the authorities in a certain state. For Google to avoid having a legal presence in France is much harder than for the GrapheneOS project to do the same.

But - valid point regarding having the US government intervene.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by SilverElfin »

moffkalast wrote: post #172
cedws wrote: post #130

Remember when they arrested Pavel Durov? I don't buy their official reasoning. Dear European friends, our leaders are tightening the screws. If we don't make our voices heard this is only going to get worse. https://x.com/durov/status/1976420399970701543

You know I didn't use to understand libertarians, but after years of watching boundaries being overstepped again and again I think I see the appeal of burning it all down and living in a cabin in the woods. Like, in Europe we already live in a completely safe society in historical and geographic terms, what more do you fucking want? Security is beyond a laughable excuse for things like chat control. Power tripping el…

It’s important to defend libertarian values even when things are good. Small violations of civil rights have a tendency to stick around and snowball into something worse.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by miohtama »

johnwayne666 wrote: post #202

HN title: "France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors" LQDN: "Dans ces articles, la cheffe de la section cybercriminalité du parquet de Paris – à l'origine de l'arrestation de Pavel Durov – menace également les développeurs·es de GrapheneOs. Interviewée, elle prévient qu'elle ne s'« empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation crimi…

And how do you hack a single phone without a backdoor in every phone?
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