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European Nations Decide Against Acquiring Boeing E-7 Awacs Aircraft

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False. Treaty ratification is a recognized feature of international law. For instance, the USMCA was signed by all three parties in 2018 but didn’t enter effect until 2020, when the last of the parties—Canada—ratified the treaty.

Ratification is irrelevant in this case. Obama, acting as head of state, deposited instruments of acceptance for the US. Once that happened, your internal processes stopped being relevant to the international community. At that point, the US was estopped from changing course. Doing so broke the bona fide principle.

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Germany also spend the last couple decades buying as much Russian natural gas as possible, even to the extent of decommissioning their nuclear power plants, and only really stopped when someone (probably Ukraine) destroyed their pipelines. They also pressured the rest of Europe to admit a surge of ‘refugees’ that has incited a populist backlash and very likely materially damaged the national security of almost every…

The "shitty anti-American attitude" is just a reaction to the shitty American attitude. Newton's third law, actio-reactio.

I mean we did make Western Europe decolonize and stopped the Anglo-French intervention in the Suez Crisis, and both of those turned out to be mistakes, but we also spent basically the entire twentieth century liberating, rebuilding, and defending your wretched continent. I think it’s mostly a reaction to having an inferiority complex about Western Europe increasingly turning into a poor, irrelevant backwater, which is tragic compared to the heights of previous centuries but also inevitable after most of your best people crossed the Atlantic.

Re: European Nations Decide Against Acquiring Boeing E-7 Awacs Aircraft

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Ratification is irrelevant in this case. Obama, acting as head of state, deposited instruments of acceptance for the US. Once that happened, your internal processes stopped being relevant to the international community. At that point, the US was estopped from changing course. Doing so broke the bona fide principle.

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A) Please be kind and not a snarky asshole, it really doesn't help your case.

B) Again, Obama is America in this case. Your internal squabbles do not matter to me. Obama, Trump, whatever. America is unreliable.

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The "shitty anti-American attitude" is just a reaction to the shitty American attitude. Newton's third law, actio-reactio.

I mean we did make Western Europe decolonize and stopped the Anglo-French intervention in the Suez Crisis, and both of those turned out to be mistakes, but we also spent basically the entire twentieth century liberating, rebuilding, and defending your wretched continent. I think it’s mostly a reaction to having an inferiority complex about Western Europe increasingly turning into a poor, irrelevant backwater, which i…

All you've done since 1945 is create boondoggles for us to deal with.

Pretty much all of our problems are a direct result of your military adventurism in the Middle East. Stop fucking up our part of the world.

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China is not exporting LNG at all, did you mean Canada? The US is still a very large and attractive market for European exporters, and it would at the very least substantially least hurt Europeans if they had to fully substitute the US with China as a trade partner.

Apologies if my phrasing was not concise. The idea I intended to communication was "Europe can get all the LNG they want from Canada, and anything manufactured from China." To your point about the US market, I would put forth the size of China, India, and Africa as import markets for Europe. The population of the US is ~343M, ~745M is Europe, while that of China, India, and Africa combined is ~4.6B (as of this commen…

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How the Rest of the World Is Moving on From Trump’s ‘America First’ - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-15/the-wo... | https://archive.today/m67tK - November 15th, 2025

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Iran Nuclear Accords (negotiated by the EU!), Paris Climate Agreement are two that come to mind concerning the EU. There's obviously more, like NAFTA.

These are more incorrect emotional claims. Withdrawing from an agreement (all three of your examples) is not the same as reneging or “breaking” the agreement. The US has not withdrawn from NATO; meanwhile, it has proactively withdrawn from agreements it does not wish to be in any longer. That actually bolsters the case that nothing has changed w/r/t article 5.

Not the GP, but could you explain the difference between withdrawing from an agreement/treaty and breaking it? I don't quite see it.

Also, who's speaking of NATO in this thread?

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> Tell me why we should care about some island on the other end of the world. I mean, if we're talking about Taiwan, it has strategic and commercial importance above and beyond being "some island". Certainly more than Central America ever did when the rest of the world was ignoring the US's idiotic anti-Communist adventures. Pretending that it's irrelevant because it's far away seems like a pretty big economic misund…

It's got importance for the Pacific trade to the US, not the land route to Europe. It is your problem and you're not exactly being great allies to us in ours.

What? They make the computer chips you use. That is your problem. What a bizarre post.
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