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This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page. All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t upda…
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I'm out of the loop. What's the issue with using a project that ESR contributes to? I am vaguely aware he has some unpopular political beliefs (though exactly what I don't know). Is that it?
Insofar as racism, homophobia, and sexism are unpopular political beliefs: yes. Oh, also he doesn't really "contribute" to tech projects so much as "exists near/within them and writes long form ramblings".
If he just "exists near", I see even less of a case why someone should avoid it.
But horses for courses, people can choose to avoid for whatever reason.
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until one's society started to collapse, one does not think crypto is good
When society collapses, will we still have reliable infrastructure (internet and electricity, to be specific) on which cryptocurrency depends?
have you heard about decentralization?
society is not civilization. local vs global.
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Yeah the ntpsec story, not great. I don't believe they're taken especially seriously. There are people close to Harlan Stenn who believe the project is essentially fraudulent.
> the project is essentially fraudulent Even if it's not, ESR is involved so it's not serious.
But it seems that his nerding, taken by itself, is pretty solid. Is that not the case?
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Insofar as racism, homophobia, and sexism are unpopular political beliefs: yes. Oh, also he doesn't really "contribute" to tech projects so much as "exists near/within them and writes long form ramblings".
Ah, the person I responded to suggests he runs the project. If he just "exists near", I see even less of a case why someone should avoid it. But horses for courses, people can choose to avoid for whatever reason.
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When society collapses, will we still have reliable infrastructure (internet and electricity, to be specific) on which cryptocurrency depends?
another one from high trust stable place. glad for you being there. have you heard about decentralization? society is not civilization. local vs global.
I agree, and I am still pointing to the collapse of society, not civilization. My infrastructure is local. If local society collapses, what reason do people have to maintain transmission and distribution lines and electrical substations, to work at power plants, to maintain fiber optic or copper lines for internet connectivity?
Even if "the internet" as a whole is still around, the inability for someone to connect to and to use it means cryptocurrency is similarly useless.
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Except they aren’t critical infrastructure which is why no one supports them.
Accurate timekeeping is critical infrastructure. So much so, that the US government operates many radio stations whose sole purpose is to provide current time announcements, reference clocks, and other timekeeping-related information. See [0]. Relatedly: surely you're not of the opinion that the various GPS constellations are not critical infrastructure? [0] https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/time-s…
Rather than money one can donate NTP servers to the pool. [1] It can be a fun learning exercise in setting up a stable stratum-2 time server. One can create graphs from the optional logs. Why bother? Many of the rabbit holes one could venture down in learning to set up a stable time server can also benefit application servers in terms of latency, responsiveness, learning how to get clients to share resources and so m…
Yep, I encourage everyone to do this (though don't ask an LLM, actually put effort into learning). It's easy and cheap to do. I have been running a server in the NTP pool on a Digital Ocean droplet for years now, costs me only $6 a month.
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Accurate timekeeping is critical infrastructure. So much so, that the US government operates many radio stations whose sole purpose is to provide current time announcements, reference clocks, and other timekeeping-related information. See [0]. Relatedly: surely you're not of the opinion that the various GPS constellations are not critical infrastructure? [0] https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/time-s…
Just because other timekeeping projects are critical infrastructure doesn't mean that one NTP client is critical infrastructure.