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IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by mbac32768 »

landl0rd wrote: post #144
refulgentis wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ Governments that expect some content or other blocked can damn well do it themselves, in their own legal system” What you are describing is exactly what is going on here. OFCAM’s final action, if taken, is blocking at ISP level. All of the legal stuff is happening in the UK system. I’m just sort of curious for your thoughts after learning that. (Also, I’m curious about the SCOTUS decision, I.e. which one? I used to…

No, it's also able to do things like issue fines, which they have, although American law is not amenable to actually collecting those if their assets are all here. I don't really care if british choose to block something on british soil. Murthy v. Missouri was generally a loss; 6-3 with Justice Barrett for the majority ruling states lacked standing, which is consistent with the Roberts court's informal policy of dodg…

The remarkable thing about Murthy is it was bipartisan, with the 3 dissenters being conservative.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by hunterpayne »

gpm wrote: post #192
Hizonner wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US will enforce most UK court judgements. I'm not sure how administrative fines work; there might be a need to involve a court first, but once that's done the US will [on edit- may] enforce them. The US will not enforce UK judgements or fines if enforcing them is contrary to the US' own laws, including its Constitution. SCOTUS ultimately decides when that's the case. So it's really, really relevant to whether a n…

Sure... I think it's pretty much a given that Ofcom expects the US won't help them enforce this law given the 1st amendment. That doesn't mean they won't/shouldn't do their best to do so by themselves..

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Post by gtrevorjay »

tbrownaw wrote: post #207
gtrevorjay wrote: post #148

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> Not to make this even more political but this sort of thing is exactly why so much of the Republican base is against funding NATO. Really? The stuff I remember seeing was entirely about countries not spending the required amounts on their own militaries.

Being upset when welfare recipients think they're better than those paying is deeply ingrained into the party.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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tbrownaw wrote: post #207
gtrevorjay wrote: post #148

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> Not to make this even more political but this sort of thing is exactly why so much of the Republican base is against funding NATO. Really? The stuff I remember seeing was entirely about countries not spending the required amounts on their own militaries.

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Post by hunterpayne »

tbrownaw wrote: post #207
gtrevorjay wrote: post #148

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> Not to make this even more political but this sort of thing is exactly why so much of the Republican base is against funding NATO. Really? The stuff I remember seeing was entirely about countries not spending the required amounts on their own militaries.

That's correct. Its also the case that a big chunk of the Republicans are pro-NATO.

However, in politics it is best to be liked. If you want people to send their kids to go save you (again), its best that they like you. Sneering at people you depend on for your security is just dumb. Remember that the next time you consider voting for an politician with lots of anti-US hot takes.

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Post by mellosouls »

vessenes wrote: post #149
Hizonner wrote: post #55

You shouldn't even be expected to geoblock. If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws unless I am taking specific action intended to attract users in country B in particular . That's doesn't mean just to target the whole world, either. If you don't want your citizens to access something in another country, take it up with your citizens. It was obvious from the minute t…

Preston talks about this in an earlier blog post. It's a matter of UK law and, I'd bet, many countries, that they have the sovereign right to legislate about matters in and outside their borders. "If Parliament says smoking in Paris is illegal, it is illegal." What's different today than when that doctrine was conceived of is: data goes everywhere, communications are decentralized, international cooperation around es…

Of course though, it is not just the governments that have force enabled by the internet and the modern age.

We need to re-imagine the Parisian as an individual with exceptionally long arms lighting the tip of their cigarette in London...

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Post by EGreg »

nine_k wrote: post #216
Hizonner wrote: post #55

You shouldn't even be expected to geoblock. If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws unless I am taking specific action intended to attract users in country B in particular . That's doesn't mean just to target the whole world, either. If you don't want your citizens to access something in another country, take it up with your citizens. It was obvious from the minute t…

If you operate a website outside UK and that's it, you may not care. But if you offer paid servies, collect money from UK citizens, you must have a business representation in the UK, which is bound by UK laws, can be fined, dragged to a court, etc. If you have this vulnerability, or you don't but your holding company has other web properties that do, the UK government has a way to make you listen and comply.

Why don't people just build decentralized smart contracts these days? Why worry about all these liabilities?

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Post by hbrav »

nine_k wrote: post #216
Hizonner wrote: post #55

You shouldn't even be expected to geoblock. If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws unless I am taking specific action intended to attract users in country B in particular . That's doesn't mean just to target the whole world, either. If you don't want your citizens to access something in another country, take it up with your citizens. It was obvious from the minute t…

If you operate a website outside UK and that's it, you may not care. But if you offer paid servies, collect money from UK citizens, you must have a business representation in the UK, which is bound by UK laws, can be fined, dragged to a court, etc. If you have this vulnerability, or you don't but your holding company has other web properties that do, the UK government has a way to make you listen and comply.

> But if you offer paid servies, collect money from UK citizens, you must have a business representation in the UK

I don't think that's true at all. You be taking payment by credit card, which doesn't require you to have any local presence.

I think your bigger risk is that you get a judgement made against you by a UK court, which a court that has jurisdiction over you is willing to enforce. I'm not sure under what circumstances that is the case, but I believe that it being the case with libel judgements has been an issue for a while (since plaintiffs can 'forum shop').

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Post by MangoToupe »

jacquesm wrote: post #20
anigbrowl wrote: post #2

When a country transitions from manufacturing to services, it ends up trying to export its legal system.

The USA has been exporting its legal system for decades. And the UK still makes plenty of stuff. I really don't think this is valid. There is a close analogy though, companies that end up losing in the marketplace tend to become legally active to try to extract a tax from those that did better.

> The USA has been exporting its legal system for decades

With enormous damage to global society, I might add

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