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ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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Open Desk (since the article doesn't link): https://www.opendesk.eu/en Does anyone have any experience using it?

OpenDesk is basically a huge helm file that configures the individual apps. Given enough RAM it should be rather simple to deploy. You can start right away, there is a community edition: https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/opendesk/deployment/opendesk

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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Do you mean just the ICC ... or all government organizations in the same boat, just not necessarily realizing it yet, inside the EU?

ICC is not a government organization, is an intergovernmental organization. This will make it much harder to convince all the stakeholders and to reuse any work done somewhere else. Many governments employ millions of people ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_se... ) so for them the costs of having even tens of additional workers (IT, support, etc) to maintain a system will be a lower percent…

Well there are many member countries, the ICC maintains its own infrastructure. Its not like they have to get approval of member states to make technology decisions.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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I've tried LibreOffice. The UX is so clunky that I ended up giving up and started doing presentations in Google Slides, even if I then end up exporting them as a PDF to actually present/share. Every time I try to use it, it feels like fighting my tool rather than my tool helping me. There is no one big bug; it's a million tiny things.

Recent versions? Because we deployed Nextcloud, I have been using and comparing OnlyOffice and Collabora for a bit, LibreOffice has been getting quite some work for presentations over the last year. My boss has issues with presentation editing (which is probably why we’ll end up with OnlyOffice), but was impressed by the features for the actual presentation.

Whatever Ubuntu ships. I try from time to time, and usually only last a few minutes.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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I remember when lawyers historically used WordPerfect for the same reasons. Now, I don’t know the details of how that industry shifted (MS dominance and WP shitting the bed with their GUI versions would be my guess), but it shows that it is possible.

I did MS Word support in the long long ago during its transition to dominance. There was nothing worse than getting a call from a lawyer who was forced off Word Perfect.

I loved Word Perfect 5.1 for MS-DOS (I wrote an emacs keyboard emulator for it). And when Windows 3.1 came out and everybody was moving from MS-DOS, most of our lawyers said, "of course we should move to Word Perfect for Windows, it's what all the law firms use." But our clients were all using Word for Windows, and so the group looking into it said, "who GAS what other law firms are using, let's use what the clients are using." And we did.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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> Pragmatically what does the US gain from joining? From a US perspective it would just be ceding power no? Then why bother with anything? Why does France join? From a French perspective it would just be ceding power no? Why does South Korea join? From a Korean perspective it would just be ceding power no? Why...

None of those countries are the preeminent military and political power in the world. Most stand to lose significantly less as signatories. The US does not need to be a member of the ICC to influence it, and they can largely operate with impunity as a non-party state that has permanent UNSC veto powers. Is South Korea in similar circumstances?

Laws for thee but not for me

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Is there any precedent for the ICC prosecuting accessory to genocide? Have they prosecuted any of the actual state parties to the Rome statute who are still providing arms to Israel? I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you say it is.

Before making a case for accessory to genocide, they'd first need a binding judgement that it is a genocide, presumably. I agree it probably isn't as clear cut, or at least not as simple.

The ICJ ruled that its plausibly genocide. Based on work done by other UN agencies.

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Before making a case for accessory to genocide, they'd first need a binding judgement that it is a genocide, presumably. I agree it probably isn't as clear cut, or at least not as simple.

The ICJ ruled that its plausibly genocide. Based on work done by other UN agencies.

The problem is a decision it is plausible it is one isn't a ruling that it is one. There is no legal basis for deciding someone is an accessory just because it is plausible. Personally I consider it a genocide, and wish there was a legal basis for going after people as accessories, but there just isn't yet.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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Good move for ICC. Especially since USA, home country of Microsoft corporation, is exhibiting military junta techniques. USA is killing citizens of foreign countries, weekly via the "U.S. military conducting missile strikes against boats in the Caribbean and Pacific claiming they are shipping drugs". These non-military victims, citizens, being killed intentionally are a violation of human rights.

> non-military victims

These people are members of international drug trafficking cartels that are highly armed and organized and kill thousands of people directly (and tens of thousands indirectly) every year. They are military combatants actively waging war against the US, and this is self-defense.

The US has been waiting for the host countries of these cartels to stop them for decades now, at the cost of millions of lives. To defend their behavior and claim that the US shouldn't defend its own citizens from foreign military powers is absolutely disgusting.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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Good move for ICC. Especially since USA, home country of Microsoft corporation, is exhibiting military junta techniques. USA is killing citizens of foreign countries, weekly via the "U.S. military conducting missile strikes against boats in the Caribbean and Pacific claiming they are shipping drugs". These non-military victims, citizens, being killed intentionally are a violation of human rights.

> non-military victims These people are members of international drug trafficking cartels that are highly armed and organized and kill thousands of people directly (and tens of thousands indirectly) every year. They are military combatants actively waging war against the US, and this is self-defense. The US has been waiting for the host countries of these cartels to stop them for decades now, at the cost of millions…

> They are military combatants actively waging war against the US

That is false. They're civilian. They are not proven to be "foreign military powers".

And in the case I'm misunderstanding what is written, above, perhaps this is a semantics issue?

I'd suggest perhaps "militarized" ..

I agree the direct/indirect death is true, deriving from these peoples' behavior. That in and of itself does not make them a military, but certainly a threat. And legally there is a due-process for handling that threat - missile strikes are not legal, here.

And there are lots of threats, with many ways that are appropriate to handle. For example, lots of people kill lots of other people, too - e.g. Trump killed 400,000 of us in his first term (mis-led us around COVID risks / mitigation), and has killed 600,000 foreigners in his second term (USAID sudden shut-down w/o replacement), that makes a MILLION DEAD ...

... given that, does this mean Trump deserves to be physically attacked by our military's missile command? I'd say "no, he should face legal action for his predictably hazardous mis-leadership."

- https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/11/new-revelations...

- https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary...

==> "As of November 5th, it estimated that U.S.A.I.D.’s dismantling has already caused the deaths of six hundred thousand people, two-thirds of them children."

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