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Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers

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Post by Moto7451 »

stevenicr wrote: post #188
Moto7451 wrote: post #82

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As someone who has had to implement these blocks, it’s not generally done because anyone wants to, it’s because someone passed a law that requires us to do it. I don’t get to override the ITAR or Entities list just because I don’t feel it’s fair someone is on it.

Didn't CF CEO post in March 2019 that they were going to start working with govts on suggestions for how to implement laws that would get them to block things people didn't like?

Could be. Regulatory capture is evident in a lot of places. TurboTax isn’t accidentally a very easy to use Tax filing software. It gets things right I’ve had expensive CPAs get wrong. TurboTax has more lobbying dollars than the CPA with an office down the street.

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Post by youngtaff »

jalk wrote: post #140
youngtaff wrote: post #131

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Well then perhaps the CDN shouldn’t be protecting those sites?

Different countries have different laws regarding what falls under freedom of speech. The CDN providers say they take a net-neutrality stance. If a court order from a specific country tells them to block certain sites, I'm pretty sure they will comply, but only for clients coming from within that country.

I’m pretty sure running pirate streams of soccer games doesn’t fall under freedom of speech

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Post by embedding-shape »

rjdj377dhabsn wrote: post #220
embedding-shape wrote: post #207

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I think that might be popular and common in the US, but outside the US and in the rest of the world, particularly in Ibero-America, "America" is the entire of South, Central and North America together. But again, what you say seem to be true inside the US, so understandable that many understand it as such. I don't think anyone (outside the US at least) use "The Americas" in daily language, while "America" certainly i…

Here in Asia, most people with whom I talk are more likely to call the USA "America" rather than the "United States". Probably because of its closer association with the adjective "American". If someone with limited English asks where I'm from, they're more likely to understand if I say "America" than "United States". And no one has ever asked "oh but which country in America?".

> If someone with limited English asks where I'm from, they're more likely to understand if I say "America" than "United States". And no one has ever asked "oh but which country in America?".

That's interesting! In my experience, meeting people from the US outside of the US mostly, when you ask where they are from, they tend to always say the city or the state, but never actually specify either "United States" or "America". If you don't happen to know that that state/city is in the US, and they never specified the country, you're usually safe to assume they're from the US :)

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Post by iwontberude »

robocat wrote: post #218
iwontberude wrote: post #65

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Facebook MAU is down from 3.65 B to 3.06 B in the last year

Yet I just found an article that said that MAU was 3.065 in 2023 and 2024 and 3.07 in 2025 (i.e. MAU is flat not decreasing). Did you drop a zero? AFAIK there is no consensus that Facebook usage is declining - however that narritive gets told by people. Of course, it might depend on which country you look at.

My bad, I was conflating Meta total MAU from a single time period in 2023. Damned AI slop websites.

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Post by foxglacier »

manishsharan wrote: post #170
foxglacier wrote: post #165

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Food production is a huge one. We don't want highly optimized farming where only the most efficient growers feed everyone else because that has the risk of global famine if something fails there. The more a system is optimized, the closer to failure it is. Same goes for all other kinds of production but food is really important compared to, say, CPUs or cars.

Fine .. say your country has a several years of drought and bad harvest. What happens then ? Do you trade then ? Or .. lets say due to weather, your farmers can not grow enough oranges or some fruit which drives up local prices. Should only the richest people in your country get to eat fruits ? Or you discover lithium deposits that your national industry can not use . Should you let that just sit there knowing it cou…

You took a far too extreme interpretation that ended up backwards. What normal countries do is trade anyway but with tariffs and subsidies so that in normal circumstances, local food is competitive to keep farmers operating but if there's a local production problem, imported goods become more competitive. That buffers the population from extremes of price/availability.
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