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Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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Snowden proved that conspiracy theorists were right.

Broken clocks are occasionally right. Yet intelligent people never seem to use them to tell time...

He wasn't the only one.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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Broken clocks are occasionally right. Yet intelligent people never seem to use them to tell time...

He wasn't the only one.

What fraction of conspiracy theories have proven correct, at a Snowden-ish level?

My sense is that conspiracy theorists are essentially a cron job crying "Wolf!" every 60 seconds. The occasional real-world wolf does not justify paying any attention to the alarms. OTOH, it's a false dichotomy to believe that the false alarms prove the non-existence of wolves.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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I'm asking how you expect an auditor to confirm the absence of something in a series of black boxes that a determined and skilled adversary would like to hide.

It's actually quite simple. You fail the audit and block the purchase at the first black box you find :)

You realize that's completely impractical and will result in the government buying nothing, correct?

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I think most capitalists aren't pro or anti acquisition, for the simple fact that they don't believe they have the right to tell two people (or two groups of people) that they aren't allowed to associate with each other. But if you're more consequentialist, you might take it on a case-by-case basis.

Except two large corporations aren't people. They're something more and less. Corporations don't have morals. They have objectives. In the abstract, I agree that we shouldn't tell two people whether or not they can associate with each other. But corporations? That's very different.

Corporations are nothing more than a legal fiction around a group of people. Do you think individuals lose certain rights when they form groups?

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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It's amazing how some upset fisherman look the same as a million murdered civilians in a lot of people's eyes

of course it doesn't, and I encourage you to quote where that was claimed. that neither help nor comfort the fisherman. being third or fourth at the Oppression Olympic doesn't mean that less oppressed people have to suck it up and roll over. what a weird line of reasoning.

It's a wierd line of reasoning to call trespassers... fisherman. These are "criminals" operating in disputed waters where their actions are classified as illegal by 1+ (frequently more than 1) disputees. They are schrodinger criminals due to grayzone nature of unsettled martime delimitations but umabiguous criminals under someones interpretation who are suppose to be repressed via domestic police enforcement.

Again this isn't just PRC doing it, this is 5 party dispute and most sides are doing their own law enforcement, up until recently with more militarized means like actual weapons discharge - PRC CG wasn't even armed until recently and they're still using relatively mild measures.

The OG comparison was Gaza, the parallel to these fishermen are closer to hamas insurgencies invading sovereign Israeli territory on the grayzone to legal spectrum. But what they are not, are "innocent", Gazans getting repressed (blown up) in their homes.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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What is even more sad is that not even Swedish regions buy Scania or Volvo busses. Where I live the region just replaced all local busses with BYD.

Are they making fully electric buses there? Do they have capacity to manufacture thousands of buses annually?

Not if they have to compete with China on price, they won't

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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It's actually quite simple. You fail the audit and block the purchase at the first black box you find :)

You realize that's completely impractical and will result in the government buying nothing, correct?

So you complain about useless audits but also complain about actual audits.

Ok.

Go complain somewhere else because this discussion is not productive.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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Wait until they found out about John Deere, Tesla or any other car with eCall.

Expand? (Teasers ... aren't especially conducive to "intellectual curiosity and thoughtful conversation": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13108404 > https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... >.)

It's common knowdledge that Tesla makes OTA updates all the time. Same security problem. And eCall obviously needs a SIM card in the car and it's not yours. The remote kill switch became prominent in the Ukrainian war when Russian troops stole John Deere farm vehicles to find them been remotly disabled later on.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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Expand? (Teasers ... aren't especially conducive to "intellectual curiosity and thoughtful conversation": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13108404 > https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... >.)

It's common knowdledge that Tesla makes OTA updates all the time. Same security problem. And eCall obviously needs a SIM card in the car and it's not yours. The remote kill switch became prominent in the Ukrainian war when Russian troops stole John Deere farm vehicles to find them been remotly disabled later on.

Thanks!

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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He is describing how bidding for publicly funded projects fails, because the bidding process designed to avoid corruption has been poorly designed (or corrupted by lobbying) such that it effectively sidelines honest and qualified bids. I would say this is a typical outcome with well meaning bureaucrats in a democracy, not capitalism

I understand what gp is nominally describing; I asked the question, after all. I am just pointing out that the exact same pressures/dynamics that were described also underpin capitalism.

What you're missing is the scale and commonality of occurence.

If you fail to take into account that you get into a broken world view of false equivalences.

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