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Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by dmayle »

Kon5ole wrote: post #204
Aurornis wrote: post #159

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> You can get 8K TVs for 8K at jumbo TV size has relatively large pixels compared to an 8K desktop monitor. It’s easier to manufacture. > And an Quest 3 headset has 2 displays at far higher PPI for $600 Those displays are physically tiny. Easier to deal with lower yields when it’s only taking a few square inches. Ultra high resolution desktop monitors would exist in the middle: Very small pixel sizes but also relativ…

>> You can get 8K TVs for >8K at jumbo TV size has relatively large pixels compared to an 8K desktop monitor. It’s easier to manufacture. I don't think that's true. I've been using a 8k 55" TV as my main monitor for years now. It was available for sub-800 USD before all such tv's vanished from the market. Smaller pixels were not more expensive even then, the 55"s were the cheapest. 4k monitors can be had for sub-200…

I've been using an 8k 65" TV as a monitor for four years now. When I bought it, you could buy the Samsung QN700B 55" 8k, but at the time it was 50% more than the 65" I bought (TCL).

I wish the 55" 8k TVs still existed (or that the announced 55" 8k monitors were ever shipped). I make do with 65", but it's just a tad too large. I would never switch back to 4k, however.

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Post by swiftcoder »

eertami wrote: post #203
swiftcoder wrote: post #121

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I'm honestly not sure where all these hackernews commenters with low-dpi displays are coming from - my former employers equipped all the software engineers with dual-4K displays nearly a decade ago. One is hard-put to buy a developer-power laptop with a sub-2K display these days, even in the Windows world, and >2K displays have been cheap on desktop for a really long time.

If you have 20/20 vision, a 27" display at 1440p (~110 DPI) has a visual acuity distance of 79cm - ie, if you are sat 79cm or further away from the screen, humans are not capable of resolving any extra detail from a higher resolution. High refresh rate 1440p IPS screens are very widely available at good prices, so it isn't that crazy that people choose them. Phone and laptop have higher DPI screens of course, but I'm…

I'm running a 32" display at 4k, which works out to about the same at 79cm. Apparently a bunch of people sit really close to their monitors :)

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Post by wmf »

swiftcoder wrote: post #121
stephenr wrote: post #86

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> if you were to make an analogy you should target for a few devices that represent the "average" For Macs, 220DPI absolutely is the average.

I'm honestly not sure where all these hackernews commenters with low-dpi displays are coming from - my former employers equipped all the software engineers with dual-4K displays nearly a decade ago. One is hard-put to buy a developer-power laptop with a sub-2K display these days, even in the Windows world, and >2K displays have been cheap on desktop for a really long time.

Retina still isn't available for large monitors like 38" and above.

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Post by toast0 »

stephenr wrote: post #86
mrbungie wrote: post #85

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Yeah sure, as long as you have a lot of resources for testing widely. Still, if you were to make an analogy you should target for a few devices that represent the "average", just as its done for (most) pop music production.

> if you were to make an analogy you should target for a few devices that represent the "average" For Macs, 220DPI absolutely is the average.

Sure, but Macs are around 10% of general desktop computing. To a first approximation, they don't count. User communities vary widely. If you target macs, then a high DPI screen is a must for testing. Otherwise, I dunno; ~ 100 DPI screens are way less expensive than ~ 200 DPI screens, so I'd expect that installed base is significantly higher for standard DPI. But there's probably enough high DPI users that it's worth giving it a look.

To address a question elsewhere, personally, I don't see the benefit to pushing 4x the pixels when ~ 100 DPI works fine for me. My eyes aren't what they were 20 years ago, and it's just extra expense at every level.

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Post by freejazz »

piker wrote: post #75

The problem with using this kind of monitor for any work that others will view on their own monitors is that your perception of what looks good will be way off. For example, it's clear that a lot of the Rust UI framework developers have been working on Macs for the last few years. The font rendering on many of those look bad once you plug them into a more normal DPI monitor. If they hadn't been using Macs with Retina…

>The problem with using this kind of monitor for any work that others will view on their own monitors is that your perception of what looks good will be way off.

Really? It's not a problem for photo retouchers, for whom a monitor like this is basically designed for.

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Post by zf00002 »

tombert wrote: post #36
ssivark wrote: post #26

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What are the cons of having a large TV as a monitor? I've been considering something like this recently, and I wonder why is this not more common.

I'm sure there are reasons with regards to games and stuff, but I don't really use this TV for anything but writing code and Slack and Google Meet. Latency doesn't matter that much for just writing code. I really don't know why it's not more common. If you get a Samsung TV it even has a dedicated "PC Mode".

A bunch of the mech eng at my work have switched from 2 monitors to big tvs for doing their CAD stuff.

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Post by nicoburns »

Aurornis wrote: post #159
martinald wrote: post #89

Me and a friend were just chatting how annoying it is monitors stalled out at 4K. I think I got my first set of 4k monitors ~15 years ago (!) and there's been no improvements since then apart from high end pro monitors resolution wise. Why is this? 5k/6k at 27" would be the sweet spot for me, and potentially 8k at 32". However, I'm not willing to drop $2k per monitor to go from a very nice 27" 4k to 27" 5k. You can g…

> You can get 8K TVs for 8K at jumbo TV size has relatively large pixels compared to an 8K desktop monitor. It’s easier to manufacture. > And an Quest 3 headset has 2 displays at far higher PPI for $600 Those displays are physically tiny. Easier to deal with lower yields when it’s only taking a few square inches. Ultra high resolution desktop monitors would exist in the middle: Very small pixel sizes but also relativ…

> There are already a number of 5K, 6K, and 8K monitors on the market. They’re just not selling well. Between difficult software support for scaling legacy apps, compatibility issues with different graphics cards and cables, and the fact that normal monitors are good enough, the really high resolution monitors don’t sell well.

They're available, but they never seem to have become a mass-market product at mass-market prices. The cheapest 5k monitor is at least double the price of the cheapest 4k monitor. And it was more like 4x until recently.

You're probably right that we're starting to hit the point where people don't care though.

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Post by swiftcoder »

Aurornis wrote: post #206
swiftcoder wrote: post #198

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> You need over 95 ppd to exhaust normal visual acuity 32" 4K at 36" is 91 ppd. Which I guess is good enough, seeing as I'm well the far side of 25 year old. > Why are you assuming 36"? Nobody I know uses 32" monitors at 36" away. 36" is the point where I can see all 4 corners of the monitor at the same time (and significantly too close to focus on one corner and have the other 3 corners in view at the same time). 40…

> 40 degrees of FoV is massive for a single monitor! I'm sitting here wondering how much you have to turn your head to use this size monitor up close You move your eyes, not your head. Plus or minus 20 degrees is a trivial amount of eye movement. Most people are fine with this. Your requirement to comfortably see everything with minimal eye/head movement is atypical. Even if you do have to move your head, that’s not…

> You move your eyes, not your head. Plus or minus 20 degrees is a trivial amount of eye movement.

Maybe this varies a lot between humans, because I'm trying the experiment, and any closer than 24 inches requires physically moving my head to comfortably read text in the corner of the 32" display.

Even at 36" it's fatiguing to focus on a corner of the display solely through eye-movement for more than a few seconds.

> Your requirement to comfortably see everything with minimal eye/head movement is atypical

I don't think it's by any means an uncommon requirement. Movie-watchers want to be able to see the whole screen at once (with the exception of some intentionally-over-the-top IMAX theatres), gamers want to be able to see their radar/heath/ammo/etc in the corners of the screen. I'd like to be able to notice notifications arriving in the corner of the screen.

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Post by refulgentis »

nine_k wrote: post #87
gigatexal wrote: post #47

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Too rich for me. Also I don’t need a creative cloud sub. But I’m the wrong customer for such a monitor. I’ll wait till 8k becomes more of the norm for say 1-1.5k

Human eye resolution is about 1 arcminute. The comfortable field of view is about 60°, or 3600 arcmimutes. A 4K display should mostly suffice %)

Naw, not at 32".

32" 4K isn't much better than pre-Retina iPhone, even after accounting for viewing distance between say, ~18" for phone, and 2-3 feet for desktop.

I agree for many people, I might even go so far as to say "normies", this sort of thing doesn't matter. But after many years of poking at this, I strongly believe it's not because their eyes can't see the difference, it's because they don't understand the question we're asking (i.e. about overall quality rather than detail density, and when you try explaining detail density, they think you're asking if a monitor "looks real" which sounds ~impossible)

This whole thing is disappointing because all I've wanted for a decade is 27" 5K to be mainstream and ubiqituous, that hits a sweet spot - surprisingly, only slightly less PPI than this, but a much more reasonable price. They of course exist, its just, consistently fringe and Mac-focused, presumably due to vagaries of HDMI.

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Post by sfjailbird »

dietr1ch wrote: post #181
sfjailbird wrote: post #94

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I have three 4K 27" which yield a bit more screen real estate. Otherwise I'd love to go to a single ultrawide.

I prefer 3 monitors because it eases window management while being cheaper. For gaming I only need one 240Hz+ monitor and for Lan parties I only take that one. Although for sim racing I've been thinking about getting a single ultra wide and high refresh rate monitor, but I'd probably go for a dedicated setup with a seat, monitor and speakers. It gets pricey, but cheaper than crashing IRL.

Yeah, window management is certainly better with separate monitors, hopefully this will get better with time.

On the flip side I would love to get rid of physically managing three individual pieces of hardware that wasn't made to work together as one setup.

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