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Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by kccqzy »

littlestymaar wrote: post #152
kccqzy wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conceptually a feature similar to Recall doesn't have to involve sending any data to third parties. It should not need to be a service just a piece of software running locally, doing OCR and full text search indexing using local compute. Incidentally I often tell my friends I run an app on my phone that captures my location 24/7 and they would initially sound horrified. But then I tell them all my location data is no…

“I store all my location data and I see no problem because it's stored locally” is the new “I store all my passwords on a post-it and I see no problem about it”. The more you store, the higher the risk, simple as that.

> The more you store, the higher the risk

You have a convincing argument for not taking photos and not writing notes down. In fact, why write anything down? Remember everything like Socrates asked people to.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by ezst »

fragmede wrote: post #217
ezst wrote: post #97

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Taking screenshots of your whole desktop every other second and sending it to a third part, just in case their OCR and cheap search built on top of it might come up with something useful? I haven't found a single situation where I would rather take that above more conventional and established approaches (browser history search, bookmarking, file management hygiene, etc)

In the end, age comes for us all. I pay for the Mac version of this software. I bought concert tickets to something, but couldn't find the confirmation email, but did find the credit card charge. So where did the tickets go? Did I hallucinate buying them? In the end, I rewound to the late night buying session to find that I'd misspelled the email address and the platform didn't confirm my email before sending. Of cou…

For what's worth, I have a "form history save" add-on for Firefox that retains this kind of info for a time, that doubles with a password manager (bitwarden) which I suspect would have caught it as well.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by theatomheart »

thesuitonym wrote: post #114
lostmsu wrote: post #73

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I just nuked my home server Ubuntu and installed Windows. Canonical is still unable to make reliable TPM-unlocked full disk encryption, unacceptable for me as a data hoarder. https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/2045417

This is something that's bugged me about BitLocker for ages: What's the point of encrypting your disks if the computer automatically decrypts them anyway? The only situation I can see where this helps you is if someone steals your disk but not your computer, but that seems very unlikely to me. Maybe if someone just clones the disk, but again, it seems much more likely to me that if you're a high enough value target t…

Maybe YOUR computer decrypts the disk automatically, if you set yours up that way. My Linux computer does nothing automatically that I dont know about, especially decrypting my disk. All my clients use Windows but even that decryption requires authentication, not automatic for anyone even the CEO.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by kccqzy »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #168
kccqzy wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conceptually a feature similar to Recall doesn't have to involve sending any data to third parties. It should not need to be a service just a piece of software running locally, doing OCR and full text search indexing using local compute. Incidentally I often tell my friends I run an app on my phone that captures my location 24/7 and they would initially sound horrified. But then I tell them all my location data is no…

What location-tracking app do you use? How does it impact the battery life? That sounds useful.

I use Arc which I've recommended on HN a few times. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38662095 As a power user I find that it could be buggy but the developer behind it responds quickly on the forum. The developer also made another app with fewer features but FOSS: https://github.com/sobri909/ArcMini and it's been on my TODO list to use that as the basis to create my own location tracking app (I have some UI ideas for such an app in my mind).

The battery life impact is quite large. The iOS battery tool reports on the order of 5% to 10% but I think subjectively it feels much more than that. Getting GPS signals itself is IMO a bigger power draw than the app writing some time series data into a SQLite database (it defers expensive processing until the app enters the foreground).

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by jFriedensreich »

MisterTea wrote: post #180
jFriedensreich wrote: post #67

Its kind of naive satire that looks silly on second thought. Recall was not bad because of the concept but implementation details, rollout communication and of course the microsoft part. Recall by an open entity with data ownership, security and transparency would have none of those issues and its just a new take on the universal desktop search that is enabled by ai being able to utilise pixels. I refuse to be shamed…

> e2e encryption freaks I refuse to be shamed by AI and surveillance freaks who can't be bothered to take notes of important things and instead demand their and by extension "my" daily computing habits are recorded "just in case."

you can turn off the features, no one forces you. but locked data is not available to me so you influence my fundamental freedom and right of data ownership for my whole life when i only force you to once click “i don't want ai” in onboarding of an app. everything else is just implementation details. im not talking about specific implementations.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by jFriedensreich »

adastra22 wrote: post #182
jFriedensreich wrote: post #67

Its kind of naive satire that looks silly on second thought. Recall was not bad because of the concept but implementation details, rollout communication and of course the microsoft part. Recall by an open entity with data ownership, security and transparency would have none of those issues and its just a new take on the universal desktop search that is enabled by ai being able to utilise pixels. I refuse to be shamed…

Recall is absolutely horrible in concept irregardless of implementation. Would you accept a big brother security camera over your shoulder recording every minute of your life? No? That’s the equivalent of what Recall is.

i have security cameras in all my rooms recording all the time, so yeah. you mix up the features with the saas and corporate hellscape that currently provides us these products. i want all of this but with secure and local software and hardware that i truly own and control.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by jFriedensreich »

chemotaxis wrote: post #173
jFriedensreich wrote: post #67

Its kind of naive satire that looks silly on second thought. Recall was not bad because of the concept but implementation details, rollout communication and of course the microsoft part. Recall by an open entity with data ownership, security and transparency would have none of those issues and its just a new take on the universal desktop search that is enabled by ai being able to utilise pixels. I refuse to be shamed…

You're criticizing a joke. Worse, you seem to be aware that you're criticizing a joke, and still went through with it. I also disagree with your premise: Recall by an open-source entity would have many of the same problems. The threat model for most people isn't that Microsoft might tailor ads to their interests. The threat model is that you're giving that ransomware gang, or an abusive spouse, a new tool with devast…

You say it as if criticizing a joke is obviously something not to do for some reason? It is not like the joke does not imply something the author tries to say, otherwise it would not be on the front page. That aside, you overstate the difference to what we have today dramatically. Your browser history is already that and look at what controls firefox built on top to let you manage it. You can pause it, limit it, exclude pages etc. An adversary can root your pc and enable key logger and screen recording if they can break into an encrypted database, the delta to what adversaries already have is not that big, but the unlock for users and agents is quite big.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by littlestymaar »

kccqzy wrote: post #221
littlestymaar wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I store all my location data and I see no problem because it's stored locally” is the new “I store all my passwords on a post-it and I see no problem about it”. The more you store, the higher the risk, simple as that.

> The more you store, the higher the risk You have a convincing argument for not taking photos and not writing notes down. In fact, why write anything down? Remember everything like Socrates asked people to.

“Don't write sensitive info on paper” and “don't take pictures of your genitals” used to be common advice actually.
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