Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

reason.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 305 posts

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#221

Post by daseiner1 »

eth0up wrote: post #87
daseiner1 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

large-scale drug smuggling is absolutely a violent crime.

Even when it isn't? Edit: what your type tends to be highly obtuse to, is the impending reality of blowback, where your warping of law is turned upon you. But it feels so good now, it must be worth it. Abuse of power has serious consequences.

"my type". based on what, exactly?

i don't like this administration — at all — and I believe we're definitionally in a fascist state now.

the lives of many of my friends & family have been devastated by drugs. 80k+ americans die every year from overdose. i understand why you may disagree with me with and i'm not going to dismiss your concerns out-of-hand but multinational illegal drug enterprises are absolutely an assault on this country in my view. i'm talking about organized criminal enterprises, not dudes pitching eight balls in nightclub bathrooms.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#222

Post by JumpCrisscross »

tavavex wrote: post #217
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in the law [1] requires he come up with that sum himself . (The qualifier implies e.g. a legal defence fund or even family member couldn't help.) [1] https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/114/Bill/SB0464.pdf

That seems kind of pedantic. From what the original commenter said, my immediate interpretation of it was that the obligation to procure the money and pay up is on his side, not that the $200k must be 'his' in some other way. It doesn't matter what source he gets it from, but the bill is on him to pay.

> my immediate interpretation of it was that the obligation to procure the money and pay up is on his side, not that the $200k must be 'his' in some other way

I suppose. I honestly read it as suggesting he, personally, had to come up with that money. The law is cruel. But as positioned, it seems like you'd just have an industry of secondary lenders.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#223

Post by yibg »

metwo1234 wrote: post #150
yibg wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I say it’s ok he was killed for this, should I be arrested?

If you incite violence towards other people who expose similar views then yes because it's not legal to incite violence against others.

Thankfully the bar for inciting violence isn’t (at least wasn’t) just someone thought so.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#224

Post by JumpCrisscross »

nailer wrote: post #208
estearum wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it is very bad to call your countrymen "cockroaches" even if they're criminals and you really don't like them. It's especially bad to do so atop a gargantuan media organization that looks to you for moral and political guidance.

[flagged]

> Why is it bad to call criminals cockroaches?

It's dehumanizing [1].

> vast majority of crime is immoral

The most immoral acts in human history, crimes against humanity, have followed campaigns of dehumanization.

(The term cockroaches is also peculiarly linked to historical genocides. If Kirk wasn't aware of the reference he was making, he was almost certainly citing someone who was.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#225

Post by hypeatei »

api wrote: post #215

I remember when the far right claimed they were for free speech and against “cancel culture.” I’m curious. Have any of the people who actually bought into that been falling away? Has the 180 degree flip away from free speech actually popped the bubble for anyone?

> Has the 180 degree flip away from free speech actually popped the bubble for anyone

Absolutely not. Right here on HN, you see the "moderates" and "center right" people: completely ignore what's going on, never call him out by name, blame both sides, or pretend it's just lefties being hyperbolic again.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#226

Post by rayiner »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #184
rayiner wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely the more relevant metric is the percentage of households with at least one gun? Guns are durable goods that people don’t dispose of, so of course they accumulate. My father in law has boats, old cars, and guns piling up around his house. But school shootings typically aren’t committed by people rummaging through their grandparents’ basements, right? Similarly, it surely is better to compare the same country ov…

> Surely the more relevant metric is the percentage of households with at least one gun? Why? > Similarly, it surely is better to compare the same country over time instead of comparing different countries which differ in many additional respects? Mass shootings are a distinctly American phenomenon. (One happened today. It probably won't make any front pages [1].) It absolutely makes sense to ask what we're doing wro…

> Why?

Because 0 to 1 is the big step.

> A household with one or two guns is probably keeping track of them in a way one with a new gun every Christmas is not.

That’s a theory, but what’s the evidence? Do you think farmers locked up their guns? Kids used to bring guns to school for sports shooting back in the day.

> Mass shootings are a distinctly American phenomenon.

Sure, but it’s been exceptional in terms of widespread gun ownership for longer than it’s had a major problem with mass shootings. When doctors are trying to diagnose people, the first thing they ask is: “what have you been doing different?”

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#227

Post by OutOfHere »

scoofy wrote: post #179

How on earth does this get past a grand jury?!?

Grand juries have for years been entirely useless. They should be filtering aggressively, not only for this case, but for all such bozo cases. I don't know why it is they act the way they do. Given the data I have seen, certainly I would not have been in favor of indicting him.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#228

Post by JumpCrisscross »

tremon wrote: post #197
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those settlements need to come out of police retirement funds, to better align interests If the sheriff, DA and judge each thought this was a good idea, it's fair for the voters who hired them to take the hit.

Are sheriff, DA and judge directly electable positions then? I thought they were appointed by the Council or Senate (no, I don't live in the US nor do I have any desire to).

> Are sheriff, DA and judge directly electable positions then?

Even if they're not, they're local enough positions that electeds have significant--if not final--say over their appointment.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#229

Post by fzeroracer »

nailer wrote: post #207
fzeroracer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN has always had a trend of political posts. The James Damore story here got massive over claims of his freedom of speech being violated. The 'Twitter Files' which was a whole lot of nothing also blew up. Dang can't really win here as someone else mentioned because we're in unprecedented times. Tech CEOs are going full mask off, like how the Salesforce CEO is asking for the government to send in troops to SF [1] or…

Downtown SF has been bad since Covid, as anyone that’s been there before and after can attest. Salesforce has a building in downtown SF. Wanting to have it be something close to pre 2020 levels of crime is very much precedented.

You could spend approximately two minutes looking up how that's going in Chicago and see how well it works.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

#230

Post by JumpCrisscross »

rayiner wrote: post #226
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surely the more relevant metric is the percentage of households with at least one gun? Why? > Similarly, it surely is better to compare the same country over time instead of comparing different countries which differ in many additional respects? Mass shootings are a distinctly American phenomenon. (One happened today. It probably won't make any front pages [1].) It absolutely makes sense to ask what we're doing wro…

> Why? Because 0 to 1 is the big step. > A household with one or two guns is probably keeping track of them in a way one with a new gun every Christmas is not. That’s a theory, but what’s the evidence? Do you think farmers locked up their guns? Kids used to bring guns to school for sports shooting back in the day. > Mass shootings are a distinctly American phenomenon. Sure, but it’s been exceptional in terms of wides…

> Because 0 to 1 is the big step

This doesn't answer why 0 to 1 households with guns is a bigger step than 0 to 1 guns.

> what’s the evidence?

It's a hypothesis. The observation is monotonically more guns, monotonically fewer gun households, more school shootings, all while single-family households become more and then less prevalent.

The corollary of the first two is more guns per gun-owning household. The implication of the last is it's not causative. The hypothesis is the larger number of guns in fewer households may have something to do with the mess.

> it’s been exceptional in terms of widespread gun ownership for longer than it’s had a major problem with mass shootings

Source? My understanding is these data weren't well tracked before WWII.

> When doctors are trying to diagnose people, the first thing they ask is: “what have you been doing different?”

Why wouldn't the NRA's radicalisation from a gun-safety orientation to Second Amendment extremism count?

Post reply on HN