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Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

More accurately all this so Elon Musk could keep peddling the lie that boreholes and cars are the future of public transit. What’s a little fraud and environmental harm compared to such a lofty goal?

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a CityNerd video (which you may take or leave in general, but I found the anecdote interesting) in which there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPjODKUxV5g I assume though that they would adjust the capacity depending on time of day and whether there's an event or something going on, to some degree.

> there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system I watched that video the other day, pretty sure it didn’t say that. What it did point out though is that in most of the system, other than the one main line, there’s just one single-lane tunnel so that when a car is in a tunnel going one way, cars going the other direction have to wait to enter the tunnel until the tunnel is clear. The title of the vi…

He does say that around 5:32 in the video. He says his driver told him there were two cars on the loop that day, and the other car wasn't in service because it was being used for training.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

There was a CityNerd video (which you may take or leave in general, but I found the anecdote interesting) in which there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPjODKUxV5g I assume though that they would adjust the capacity depending on time of day and whether there's an event or something going on, to some degree.

It's hilarious how the quality of stops just degrades until you just get a typical car taxi pickup spot ...

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a CityNerd video (which you may take or leave in general, but I found the anecdote interesting) in which there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPjODKUxV5g I assume though that they would adjust the capacity depending on time of day and whether there's an event or something going on, to some degree.

> there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system I watched that video the other day, pretty sure it didn’t say that. What it did point out though is that in most of the system, other than the one main line, there’s just one single-lane tunnel so that when a car is in a tunnel going one way, cars going the other direction have to wait to enter the tunnel until the tunnel is clear. The title of the vi…

When he rode his driver told him there should be two cars operating at a time but one was training and couldn't take riders, so there was just one car running.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Indeed! I think the Vegas loop has immense potential. There are many ways we can iterate on this concept. Perhaps we can use bigger cars, in a bus like shape to transport more people at once. Or we could remove the batteries to save cost and weight and supply the cars with an external power source. There is immense potential here and I believe this will revolutionise transport.

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Interestingly one of the reasons some areas _aren't_ building these out is because of the promises Musk made re: the Hyperloop system, they felt it would be better to wait and see.

Freezing actual good mass transit progress seems to have been his goal, unfortunately.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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I think the big picture here is much more important. If tunneling technology is radically improved, we're going to see massive improvements in urban living, including: • Cleaner air at street level because vehicle exhaust stays underground and can be filtered, which would have massive health and environmental benefits • Quieter cities with most traffic noise eliminated • Cooler temperatures since asphalt and vehicle…

Have you seen those tunnels in the video above? In what world are those tunnels anyway improved from any other tunnel ever?

I can see several things I find _concerning_ about them...

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

There was a CityNerd video (which you may take or leave in general, but I found the anecdote interesting) in which there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPjODKUxV5g I assume though that they would adjust the capacity depending on time of day and whether there's an event or something going on, to some degree.

> adjust the capacity

It's a single lane tunnel and is thus one way. The parking are can only hold so many waiting vehicles and queued passengers. Their options for adjusting capacity are severely limited.

Then you consider what might happen if the lead vehicle in a convoy becomes disabled, or worse, starts on fire.

It's the same reason planes are safer per "passenger mile traveled" but aren't as safe per "total journeys taken." If you crash a plane you stand to injure or kill hundreds of passengers at once.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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What technology and progress has the boring company enabled?

A breakthrough in tunnel cost and speed per meter. Have you read into this at all or is this just another snarky comment?

This 'breakthrough' appears to have mainly been achieved by ignoring health and safety regulations. Not so impressive.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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post #121

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Peak ridership is about 1300/hour. About how many people you can fit in two trams. Or 10 Disneyland people movers.

That seems high for what it is. Is that hypothetical peak or actually measured capacity?

That is the peak spontaneous ridership per hour. So about 22 people per minute. Probably measured during a convention or something. Most of the time it's probably half of that.

So essentially they made a ride comparable to Space Mountain that takes about 2200 passengers per hour.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

If you’re curious, this is a demo/experiment. The long term goal is tunnels so inexpensive that they can go 30 levels deep, letting us travel within cities at 200kph with no stop signs (even eliminate automobiles from the surface of cities)

This will require considerable progress in tunneling r&d, which is their primary activity

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