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Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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How is it not deprivation of liberty to be forcibly removed from where you are and not allowed to return?

Because you didn't have the legal right to remain there in the first place?

You're confusing natural rights and civil rights. And backpedaling from "they're not being deprived of these rights" to "they deserve it". They may deserve it but you don't know that without- (please finish the sentence)

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Assumed political liability.

At the time, sure. With the benefit of hindsight, one of Democrats’ strategic fuckups over the last decade was forgetting that it is one.

I think the Democrat's strategic fuck up is not standing for up for US democracy, always.

Part of that is saying "immigration is good, actually", instead of conceding political positions to the right as they poison our politics.

The Dems should have created a counter-narrative. If you believe in liberal, multi-ethnic democracy, then you must say so. The lesson (that I suppose people have forgotten from history) is that our freedoms (as I am talking about it) must be defended, always, and not taken for granted.

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Trump's bill allocated 170 billion dollars to ICE. That figure is greater than annual defense spending of every country in the world other than US and China. I believe it's spread over four years, so amortized over that time period it would have more budget than all but 12 countries in the world.

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More like, be white and you won't be harrassed.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Did it seem from how I employed the term "as a general rule" that I didn't understand its meaning?

It seemed quite the opposite. That you knew exactly what you were saying, but using weasel words to imply ICE was acting above board without stating any falsehoods that might be challenged. The rhetorical trick of my reply being that it forces you to either address to the meat of the subject, or leave the statement uncontested. But congratulations, conceding the argument rather than ousting yourself as a fascist was…

Please read the rules.

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By everyone thinking you can get 100% coverage across the Great Basin Desert? Yes. Yes I do think that the population density of Europe leads them to think everything is closer and easier than it is. That one desert, of many, is about 190,000 miles in size. That's half the size of the whole of France. Are you really saying covering that, with 100% coverage, with no dead spots at all, is a reasonable task to undertake…

That's a population distribution issue, not an area size issue (you yourself raised the size of Texas as a "problem"). FWiW the state I grew up in is 3x the area of Texas with cattle stations larger than those tiny Texas ranches. ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5EQ1NZN6A If you want to challenge the myth of coverage in Europe forget about size comparisons and look to some of the hard walking trails in remote area…

The signal in the Kimberley's is shithouse, mate. Last time I was there, I went three days with zero signal, because I was in some more remote communities. That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it?

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That's a population distribution issue, not an area size issue (you yourself raised the size of Texas as a "problem"). FWiW the state I grew up in is 3x the area of Texas with cattle stations larger than those tiny Texas ranches. ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5EQ1NZN6A If you want to challenge the myth of coverage in Europe forget about size comparisons and look to some of the hard walking trails in remote area…

The signal in the Kimberley's is shithouse, mate. Last time I was there, I went three days with zero signal, because I was in some more remote communities. That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it?

> That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it?

No, that's pretty much just a tangential straw interpretation of your own design as the signal quality in Kimberley, or lack thereof, has got three tenths of f'all to do with the issue being population distribution rather than size.

Both Europe and the US have low population regions with poor signal.

Upthread I suspect the anecdata about good quality signal in Europe came from somebody who had more exposure to the well trod higher population density parts of Europe and hadn't encounter less covered corners.

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Might help if you specify which views you don't share? The fact that slavery etc was legal or that they were wrong or that citizens should oppose them?

It was terrible that the Democrats opposed abolishing slavery.

Which modern political party waves confederate flags?

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The signal in the Kimberley's is shithouse, mate. Last time I was there, I went three days with zero signal, because I was in some more remote communities. That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it?

> That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it? No, that's pretty much just a tangential straw interpretation of your own design as the signal quality in Kimberley, or lack thereof, has got three tenths of f'all to do with the issue being population distribution rather than size. Both Europe and the US have low population regions with poor signal. Upthread I suspect the anecdata about good quali…

> I'm running LTE-only with zero problems for 2 years now without a single coverage gap. Even in the rural parts.

The anecdote, was suggesting that our vast and empty lands are trivial to cover. But as you know, that has nothing to do with reality. I'm so sorry I tried to convey it with a tinch of kindness to them. Next time I'll tell them to pull their fucking head in.

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Is there a reason why Google and Apple wouldn't turn 2G downgrade off by default? Even the setting itself says "emergency calls over 2G are still allowed" so what is the reasoning behind leaving people exposed to this?

Likely due to areas that still have only 2g coverage. Still a lot of that in rural usa

Is that still true? Even 3G support was largely torn down in the US some years back.

https://www.eseye.com/resources/blogs/2g-3g-network-status-u...

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/the-3g-shutdown-how-will-it-aff...

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> Are you really saying covering that, with 100% coverage, with no dead spots at all, is a reasonable task to undertake? Well, do people live in this desert? If not, then I wouldn't say that's reasonable. But then I don't feel like your replies here are reasonable either and pretty disingenuous overall, so maybe lets just leave it at that, and you can continue believe your country is much bigger than it is.

> Well, do people live in this desert? If not, then I wouldn't say that's reasonable. It stretches from Reno Nevada to Salt Lake City Utah. It also includes Las Vegas, Ogden Utah, and Provo Utah. But there are plenty of small cities in between. If you drove on the I-80 from Reno to SLC you'd pass through Fernley (23k people), Lovelock (2k), Imlay (200), Winnemucca (8.5k), Carlin (2.4k), Elko (21k), Wells (1.3k), Oasi…

I think the comparison here would probably be the Greek archipelago. Or indeed Greece, or even more broadly the Balkans, given how the settlements are mostly in valleys and there's a lot of mountains, but I wrote the next paragraph before thinking of that:

You can go into the absolute wilderness of the states/the waters of the Mediterranean with suitable gear, and there's some dotted isolated communities within the uninhabited territory/EEZ of the greater region.

I don't know if either has good cell coverage. I presume not, given I managed to lose cell coverage even just crossing the English Channel by ferry a few years back.

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