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NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece

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Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece

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Post by bobxmax »

UltraSane wrote: post #154
bobxmax wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone from (and who lives) in the developing + non-aligned part of the world, I'm always amazed at how ingrained hatred for anything western and non-democratic is for Americans. Anything that isn't a so-called democracy with so-called western values (which change every 10 years) is patently evil. Is this a relic of cold war propaganda? I hate to call it "brainwashing" because that's a very politically charged wo…

Dude. The CCP sucks. Just ask Jack Ma or Gedhun Choekyi Nyima https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedhun_Choekyi_Nyima

Yes. They suck. They've also never done anything remotely as bad as the US did in Iraq.

That's my point. Americans act like China is the great evil... it's quite strange.

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Post by UltraSane »

bobxmax wrote: post #221
UltraSane wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude. The CCP sucks. Just ask Jack Ma or Gedhun Choekyi Nyima https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedhun_Choekyi_Nyima

Yes. They suck. They've also never done anything remotely as bad as the US did in Iraq. That's my point. Americans act like China is the great evil... it's quite strange.

"'ve also never done anything remotely as bad as the US did in Iraq."

Ask Tibetens about that. The US left Iraq but the CCP still controls Tibet and oppresss native Tibetans. Or the Uyghurs that the CCP are brutally persecuting. Or the Falun Gong. The CCP also is a strong ally of the despicable North Korean government and sends North Koreans in China back to North Korea to face long prison sentences or execution.

The CCP is very evil at violating individual human rights. And smart people defending their behavior is very odd

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Post by SilverElfin »

bigyabai wrote: post #218
SilverElfin wrote: post #217

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All of that is just a wild justification for large-scale economic damage to another country. In other words, warfare.

Hybrid warfare. Go bomb China for Salt Typhoon if it makes you feel any better, they still have the upper hand. Obsessing over retaliation instead of defense is precisely what China wants to provoke, it manufactures global consent to destroy America. No nation wants to coexist with a hegemon that goes nuclear whenever they're outdone. When we forego obvious solutions ("hmm maybe telecoms need to be held to higher sta…

Hybrid warfare is warfare.

Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece

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Post by bobxmax »

UltraSane wrote: post #222
bobxmax wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. They suck. They've also never done anything remotely as bad as the US did in Iraq. That's my point. Americans act like China is the great evil... it's quite strange.

"'ve also never done anything remotely as bad as the US did in Iraq." Ask Tibetens about that. The US left Iraq but the CCP still controls Tibet and oppresss native Tibetans. Or the Uyghurs that the CCP are brutally persecuting. Or the Falun Gong. The CCP also is a strong ally of the despicable North Korean government and sends North Koreans in China back to North Korea to face long prison sentences or execution. The…

Nobody is defending their behavior. You're just proving the brainwashing point I made by instinctively going into attack dog mode making silly arguments.

And no, China's oppression of Tibet is nothing close to a million dead Iraqis and an ancient country turned into a failed state. The fact you'd even make such a goofy comparison shows how deep American indoctrination runs.

Your tax dollars are still torturing brown people without trial in Gitmo and genociding Palestinians btw.

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Post by UltraSane »

bobxmax wrote: post #224
UltraSane wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"'ve also never done anything remotely as bad as the US did in Iraq." Ask Tibetens about that. The US left Iraq but the CCP still controls Tibet and oppresss native Tibetans. Or the Uyghurs that the CCP are brutally persecuting. Or the Falun Gong. The CCP also is a strong ally of the despicable North Korean government and sends North Koreans in China back to North Korea to face long prison sentences or execution. The…

Nobody is defending their behavior. You're just proving the brainwashing point I made by instinctively going into attack dog mode making silly arguments. And no, China's oppression of Tibet is nothing close to a million dead Iraqis and an ancient country turned into a failed state. The fact you'd even make such a goofy comparison shows how deep American indoctrination runs. Your tax dollars are still torturing brown…

"Nobody is defending their behavior"

You are by minimizing it.

"China's oppression of Tibet is nothing close to a million dead Iraqis"

At least the US got rid of Saddam. China is still oppressing the hell out of Tibet.

"The fact you'd even make such a goofy comparison shows how deep American indoctrination runs."

The fact that you consider this to BE a "goofy comparison" shows how deep your pro-CCP indoctrination runs.

"genociding Palestinians"

If you consider what Israel is doing to Palestinians to be genocide then you have to consider what the CCP is doing to the Uyghurs to be a genocide also. But you seem very selective with your outrage.

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Post by StarterPro »

UltraSane wrote: post #154
bobxmax wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone from (and who lives) in the developing + non-aligned part of the world, I'm always amazed at how ingrained hatred for anything western and non-democratic is for Americans. Anything that isn't a so-called democracy with so-called western values (which change every 10 years) is patently evil. Is this a relic of cold war propaganda? I hate to call it "brainwashing" because that's a very politically charged wo…

Dude. The CCP sucks. Just ask Jack Ma or Gedhun Choekyi Nyima https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedhun_Choekyi_Nyima

Yes, ask the billionaire how the anti-billionaire country treated him.

Here's a hint: not well.

Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece

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Post by bigyabai »

SilverElfin wrote: post #223
bigyabai wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hybrid warfare. Go bomb China for Salt Typhoon if it makes you feel any better, they still have the upper hand. Obsessing over retaliation instead of defense is precisely what China wants to provoke, it manufactures global consent to destroy America. No nation wants to coexist with a hegemon that goes nuclear whenever they're outdone. When we forego obvious solutions ("hmm maybe telecoms need to be held to higher sta…

Hybrid warfare is warfare.

Like I said - go bomb them, then. No amount of gunboat diplomacy will reverse the J-35 production line. The logical response to having your "IP battleship" sunk is to protect your future ones better. Ragequitting kills US servicemembers, it's not a real-world option.

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Post by Hikikomori »

SilverElfin wrote: post #201
Hikikomori wrote: post #178

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Is this some kind of satire or are you just completely ignorant of European/US history? Either way its laughable to even compare IP theft to the invasion of Iraq or bombing of Cambodia. How do you think the industrial revolution got started in the US, they just did it on their own? Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives.

No, it’s not laughable. Your insinuation that China doesn’t invade other countries, meant to imply they haven’t engaged in warfare, was false. And yes IP theft is comparable to invasions and often worse. > Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives. This is partially true. But partially false. You can figure out why if you’re curious.

IP theft is worse than directly killing millions of people is certainly an opinion. If anything capitalists are giving away your IP by setting up factories in China, why don't you blame them?

Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece

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Post by UltraSane »

StarterPro wrote: post #226
UltraSane wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude. The CCP sucks. Just ask Jack Ma or Gedhun Choekyi Nyima https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedhun_Choekyi_Nyima

Yes, ask the billionaire how the anti-billionaire country treated him. Here's a hint: not well.

What about the 6 year old child the CCP abducted for political purposes?

And what makes you say that the CCP is anti-billionaire?

Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece

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Post by xpe »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #134
xpe wrote: post #38

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Of course there will be some degree of governmental and/or political influence. The question is not if but where and to what extent. No one should proclaim "bullshit" and wave off this entire report as "biased" or useless. That would be insipid. We live in a complex world where we have to filter and analyze information.

This kind of BS is exactly what they targeting at. Tailoring BS into "report" with no evidence or reference and then let the ones like you defend it. Just because you already afraid or want others to be afraid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omc37TvHN74

> ... into "report" with no evidence or reference

If one takes a few minutes to review the NIST report [1], one will indeed find evidence and references detailed in the footnotes.

Without judgment, I ask: How did you miss this? I'm certainly not asking you to defend yourself, which would likely trigger rationalization [2]. I am asking you to sincerely try to figure it out for yourself. Under what conditions do you have the ability to admit that you are wrong, even if only to yourself?

[1]: https://www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/2025/09/30/CAISI...

[2]: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Rationa...

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