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Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Isn't it entirely unsurprising that those running a highly privacy-oriented service would themselves be rather mysterious?

All it takes is an unattended machine for someone to boot another os on and grab the file

If you're going to the trouble of using a VPN, that is not a very likely scenario, and ditto for other users(!) on your machine.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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I tried Proton but their VPN wasnt as good as NordVPNs… But if Nord is sketchy, what is the recommended one?

That's actually interesting. My yearly Proton subscription ended several months ago and I tried both NordVPN and ExpressVPN before switching back to Proton. The other two options had limited server locations and I wasn't a fan of the software/setup. There's also a weird shady vibe with how they do their advertising compared to Proton, can't quite put my finger on it though. Proton's software also seems to be more intuitive (although a bit clunky).

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Idk what's the official status, but it's Tesonet. Some fake debunking in the comments of this thread that is factually almost correct: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn... EDIT: ProtonVPN app was "accidentally" signet by Tesonet. How do you think this could happen?

It’s not Tesonet, Proton is wholly self-owned and managed. Proton VPN was briefly sharing employees with Tesonet during initial app bringup, and that partnership is long over. Naturally due to competition and the huge importance of privacy in this space, people still bring this up, but Proton VPN does not and never will sell or share your data with anyone. Source: I am a Proton VPN employee.

What the hell is employee sharing?

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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I have a good friend from Lithuania, who has told me so many amazing/wonderful/superlative things about the country he grew up in and loves very dearly, as well as its people. I can't wait to visit someday. Unfortunately, he only has Russian and American citizenship, so he can't purchase real estate there currently, but luckily most of Lithuania's restrictions have been very common-sense (applying only to people who…

I couldn't really get that segue from Lithuania to Estonia. Did you mean to type "Lithuania" in the last paragraph as well? Here.. > Additionally, I've always been very impressed with Estonia's … Before that you were talking about Lithuania exclusively. And then: > … Estonia's digital infrastructure and Ukrainian software engineering - not just JetBrains … I think it was founded in CZ and is now HQed in NL. Right? A…

> (I am not trying to nitpick, really interested in knowing whether there's some angle/twist here, since the post itself is about hidden connections and what not).

Honestly that shone through even from the first sentence.

I mentioned Estonia because Lithuania/Latvia/Estonia have a bit of shared identity, kind of similar to Sweden/Norway/Finland or USA/Canada.

> I think it was founded in CZ and is now HQed in NL. Right?

Yes I was just wrong. I was convinced it was Ukrainian for some reason.

I agree that the combination of those two points made my post particularly confusing.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Unit 8200 is the premier software development track in the Israeli military. Every Israeli tech company likely has multiple developers from Unit 8200 in it. Whether it's building e-commerce shops or making video games. While 8200 definitely falls under the military intelligence wing, I don't think describing people in it as Cyber Spies is anywhere near accurate. And unless that guy was very high ranking it is a stret…

Makes perfect cover though? "He was only a conscript changing printer cartridges"

People who don't live in countries with mandatory conscription for all don't really understand: everyone is connected to the military but it means nothing.

Judging an Israeli citizen on their IDF ties is like judging a US citizen on the fact that they went to public school.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

#228

I tried Proton but their VPN wasnt as good as NordVPNs… But if Nord is sketchy, what is the recommended one?

You will have to be a lot more specific than "wasn't as good as", to get a response that is helpful to you. What are you looking for in a VPN provider?

I wanted to watch some football world cup highlights video from a japanese TV channel site, which didnt work with Proton, but did with Nord, so I have been with them since then.

This was during the 2022 WC though, so maybe Proton is better nowadays.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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How does that work with HTTPS being practically ubiquitous?

HTTPS spills what services you are communicating with, but not the content… …except approximate content sizes and timing patterns.

The GP claimed they can inject ads though

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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How does that work with HTTPS being practically ubiquitous?

They sell metadata. DNS queries, locations, apps using data, device info. Usually anonymized, but both unscrupulous and "better" providers do have access to your account and payment info.

GP claimed they can inject ads. How does that work with HTTPS?
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