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Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #171

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It’s you who are mixing things. Putting up a website outside the UK and “deciding to provide services in the UK” are two decidedly different things. UK legal imperialism is self centered and unrealistic and undermines speech the world over.

The US does exactly the same thing, including at the state level. See e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Scheinberg

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s you who are mixing things. Putting up a website outside the UK and “deciding to provide services in the UK” are two decidedly different things. UK legal imperialism is self centered and unrealistic and undermines speech the world over.

The US does exactly the same thing, including at the state level. See e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Scheinberg

And you’re suggesting that if the US does it it is ipso facto a good idea? Strange reasoning.

This is also apples and oranges. Running credit cards involves knowing exactly where people are located. You do in a real sense “decide” to do business with people in a given country.

Not every website does that. Some just serve posts to all comers. Some allow people to upload an image. Deducing where those people are from is non trivial. When I blog something I’m not “deciding” in any meaningful sense to “serve” people in country X.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Hopefully many more companies do this and British internet users migrate to use of VPNs. This will apply maximum pressure on the government to reverse these parochial laws.

>This will apply maximum pressure on the government to reverse these parochial laws Whatever the annual revenue of imgur was is now up for grabs for any British entrepreneur willing to build an image hosting site and unless British people have an innate preference for exporting their data to the US they'll likely stick with that. In other words, it's a good opportunity for the domestic tech sector, that's what happen…

Yeah let us find random ways, that we never used to care about, to ban all foreign websites so a "brit" can take over haha. This is quite authoritarian and corporatist and worthy of some criticism from more libertarian minded onlookers.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Hopefully many more companies do this and British internet users migrate to use of VPNs. This will apply maximum pressure on the government to reverse these parochial laws.

its not the online safety act, its basic data protection, which means they are probably breeching the Californian equivalent

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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> The ICO also confirmed that companies could not avoid accountability by withdrawing their services in the UK. This is quite a slippery slope. If I host a website in one country, I do not necessarily care where people access my website from. It is not like I actively provide a service to them - they just use internet (decentralised network) to access it. What if I publish a newspaper here, someone takes it where the…

I think it's a conflict that was baked into the Internet at its conception. A non-geographic service overlaid on top of a world with a huge amount of geography and borders.

Yeah. We had a chance to invent our own governance on the internet. But we abdicated, and made the internet a free for all. As a result, national governments have stepped in to provide the governance we didn’t program in. And they do it - of course - in an inconsistent, ad hoc way.

There was a period a couple hundred years ago when it was all the rage internationally to write constitutions. Lots of countries got constitutions within a few decades, and almost no constitutions have been written since then. I wonder sometimes how the internet would be different if it were implemented in an era or culture in which people believed in that sort of thing.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Trivially which is why VPN's have boomed in the UK since this was brought in. An entirely predictable result given how easy it is to install a VPN vs having to verify yourself constantly to sketchy third parties on every site that has adult content (note: adult meaning adult not pornography..a lot of non-porn adult stuff get caught in the net).

For now. 1. Driver's licenses are becoming a web standard soon. https://github.com/w3c-fedid/digital-credentials Support was added just last week in Safari 26. https://digitalcredentials.dev 2. The UK is keeping a very close eye on VPNs. https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/could-vpn...

There is a reason that google and apple aren't screaming about these laws.

That pretty much is the reason - they want to become identify brokers for the entire online ecosystem and if it costs them under 18 users they don't really care, they aren't typically the ones with the money anyway.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

signal is open source, so they'll just download the source, build it, add a backdoor and push it to the app store

same as that weird official USgov version hosted by israel

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

This 100%. There would be a lot more pushback in the EU against this nonsense if, overnight, EU users found the majority of their apps no longer work.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

signal is open source, so they'll just download the source, build it, add a backdoor and push it to the app store same as that weird official USgov version hosted by israel

Sometimes I wonder who builds this stuff. I appreciate at the end of the day that everyone has bills, but I feel like I'd rather apply for public housing before I work on that. They're not even getting rich, just a wagie. I have never met someone in the tech industry that was ideologically anti-privacy. It's always the lawyers and politicians. But someone builds it.
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