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UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by mulmen »

pepa65 wrote: post #217
mulmen wrote: post #113

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> I don't get the resistance to a digital/national id in other countries. To us it is quite bizarre. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is a language barrier issue but this comes across as astonishingly narrow minded.

It's obviously a cultural difference issue that might create the impression of narrowmindedness.

Yeah I get the cultural difference. Being unaware of other cultures differences is the part that comes across narrow minded.

I can imagine why a person wouldn’t be afraid of their government but I’m having a much harder time with their inability to reciprocate.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by SXX »

reaperducer wrote: post #164
skeletal88 wrote: post #80

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Our system in Estonia works well. I don't get the resistance to a digital/national id in other countries. To us it is quite bizarre. Some have explained it with a lack of trust between citizens and the country. But without such digital id it is impossible to have such digital government services as we have here. The government services need to verify and autheticate the citizen, so they only access their own data and…

without such digital id it is impossible to have such digital government services And now we know what Estonia's single point of failure is. An adversary only has to hack one system to bring an entire country down. That sounds a bit scary to me.

This. It will certainly be used by Russia in case of invasion.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by notarget137 »

SXX wrote: post #218
skeletal88 wrote: post #80

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Our system in Estonia works well. I don't get the resistance to a digital/national id in other countries. To us it is quite bizarre. Some have explained it with a lack of trust between citizens and the country. But without such digital id it is impossible to have such digital government services as we have here. The government services need to verify and autheticate the citizen, so they only access their own data and…

Russia also have very good digital services. Now in one go government can send you conscription notification and immediately block your from leaving country as well as revoke driver license, block your banks and even phone numbers. Also since all the data available about you in one place any malicious actor who can bribe someone with access can immediately get all your data: passport info and tax id, addresses, work…

Exceptionally good. Sometimes I even think it's worth it. Need a specific statement or a document - here you have it in PDF in 2 minutes in an android app with somewhat decent usability.

The only saving grace for us is incompetence. Tyrannies breed incopmetence in goverments since competent people are able to ask troubluing questions. At least I hope so.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by SXX »

notarget137 wrote: post #223
SXX wrote: post #218

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Russia also have very good digital services. Now in one go government can send you conscription notification and immediately block your from leaving country as well as revoke driver license, block your banks and even phone numbers. Also since all the data available about you in one place any malicious actor who can bribe someone with access can immediately get all your data: passport info and tax id, addresses, work…

Exceptionally good. Sometimes I even think it's worth it. Need a specific statement or a document - here you have it in PDF in 2 minutes in an android app with somewhat decent usability. The only saving grace for us is incompetence. Tyrannies breed incopmetence in goverments since competent people are able to ask troubluing questions. At least I hope so.

The only problem is that any scammer who can pay $100-200 bribe can reset your password without you there and immediately get all these PDFs, then mess up your whole life.

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Post by MrToadMan »

michaelt wrote: post #48
multjoy wrote: post #38

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That’s because Palestine Action are a proscribed group. Whether or not the proscription was correct is irrelevant, the current law means that you commit the same offence showing support for IS or the Terrorgram Collective. The police can’t simply ignore one proscribed group over another as that leads to all manner of weird and wacky outcomes.

But they're only a proscribed group because the cabinet decided it was politically convenient to proscribe them. It's not like these guys are the Taliban or the IRA, though some of them did chuck some paint on some planes. So a person who is worried about Starmer's authoritarian tendencies lay responsibility for the police action at the door of number 10.

Although PA was bundled in with two other organisations in the vote, the vote did pass 385 votes to 26, so it seems there was broad support across MPs, not just the cabinet.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by TiredOfLife »

skeletal88 wrote: post #80
dijit wrote: post #3

As well as the Estonia eID system works (aside from that time it got hacked[0] and that other time they leaked all the photos[1]) and how well a digital (non-government) system works in Scandinavia… I have to say… As a Dual British/Swedish Citizen, I really do not trust the UK government. They have proven over and over and over, that at every opportunity presented they will increase their own authority. I don’t belie…

Our system in Estonia works well. I don't get the resistance to a digital/national id in other countries. To us it is quite bizarre. Some have explained it with a lack of trust between citizens and the country. But without such digital id it is impossible to have such digital government services as we have here. The government services need to verify and autheticate the citizen, so they only access their own data and…

Majority of users here are american. Americans made trump president. Twice. Americans are not sane.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by TiredOfLife »

LightBug1 wrote: post #120
ChocolateGod wrote: post #33

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They're supporting a specific group that went into a military base and damaged military equipment (that was irrelevant to palestine/israel), those people going out with those T-Shirts know exactly why the group was proscribed and are seeking to be arrested, why are we shocked they got arrested, they wanted it.

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Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by n4r9 »

beeflet wrote: post #166
n4r9 wrote: post #102

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In my experience, when someone has an extreme opinion and says "just watch this video", it's largely a waste of time. Video is too easily game-able as a medium.

Good thinking, you wouldn't want to expose yourself to extreme opinions. Come to think of it, when are we going to ban dangerous assault thoughts? Not everyone has a mind big enough for radical ideas of that caliber.

I'm open to a broad range of opinions. I'm less open to arguments hinging on watching a video. Especially if they won't even link to one.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by pipes »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #200
pkaodev wrote: post #198

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What are you on about? It's financial providers deciding whether you are or aren't risky for them to work with, based on your financial decisions. Not repaying loans and using credit cards to get cash -> you're probably bad with money -> lenders are unlikely to get their money back from you.

> based on your financial decisions A lot of individuals saw their credit scores decline during the Great Recession, even if they weren’t involved in subprime lending. This myth that credit scores are entirely due to your own financial decisions is up there with myths people believe about names or time zones.

Was that related to their social interactions and associated with or being related to political activists? That's how China's scoring works.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by ChocolateGod »

LightBug1 wrote: post #120
ChocolateGod wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're supporting a specific group that went into a military base and damaged military equipment (that was irrelevant to palestine/israel), those people going out with those T-Shirts know exactly why the group was proscribed and are seeking to be arrested, why are we shocked they got arrested, they wanted it.

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Damaging military equipment responsible for defending the country for a political goal is terrorism. They attacked the state.
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