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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by frozenseven »

chrisvenum wrote: post #7

While I like using AI for assisting with repetitive programming, I can’t help but feel sorry for my producer and illustrator friends who are now having to compete with generated tools. Is it snobby of me to look down upon art that is created using these tools as lesser because the human did not make every tiny decision going into a peice? That a persons taste and talent is no longer fully used to produce something an…

Nothing is being "stolen". It never was. Copyright law grants you rights over specific works. It doesn't protect styles, genres, general ideas, methods, or concepts. And it most certainly doesn't protect anyone from competition or the unyielding march of progress. Nothing can protect you from that.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by [deleted] »

Nursie wrote: post #139
creata wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And look at the vocaloid stuff too. What about the vocaloid stuff?

It’s soulless by definition, designed by committee and sung by a machine. Entirely manufactured. But people like it. It’s a counterpoint to the above argument that listeners will be dismissive of AI-produced music because it is a pale imitation of art created with intent and soul. On the contrary, such music thrives and is very popular already.

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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by frozenseven »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #200
protocolture wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Refining a request that generates music, is "making music" however you slice it.

Trying to convince some tech people about how artistic creation works, and why it's more than just the right amount of "optimization" of bits for rapid results, is about as pointless as trying to make a chimpanzee understand the intricacies of Bach. The reductiveness of some of you is amusing, but also grotesque in the context of what art should mean for human experience.

There's no magical line between "tech people" and "art people". The gatekeeping here is getting desperate as hell when you're now forced to cite Bach.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by tummler »

Nursie wrote: post #139
creata wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And look at the vocaloid stuff too. What about the vocaloid stuff?

It’s soulless by definition, designed by committee and sung by a machine. Entirely manufactured. But people like it. It’s a counterpoint to the above argument that listeners will be dismissive of AI-produced music because it is a pale imitation of art created with intent and soul. On the contrary, such music thrives and is very popular already.

People love to be snobs about pop music, but it's music.

A particular piece of art isn't "soulless" just because it didn't move you. There were still plenty of humans involved in making it, who made specific artistic decisions. In pop music, the creative decisions are often driven by a desire to be as broadly appealing as possible. That's not a good or bad thing unless you judge it as such. It's still art.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by samdafi »

j4coh wrote: post #182
survirtual wrote: post #181

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Dumping money into a company until desired results is not "building a company". I have nothing against capital, but the hubris of the people investing is insane. /s Look, sarcasm aside, for you and the many people who agree with you, I would encourage opening your minds a bit. There was a time where even eating food was an intense struggle of intellect, skill, and patience. Now you walk into a building and grab anyth…

It doesn’t even have to be art. If someone told me they were a chef and cooked some food but in reality had ordered it I’d think they were a bit of a moron for equating these things or thinking that by giving someone money or a request for something they were a creator, not a consumer. It may be nice for society that ordering food is possible, but it doesn’t make one a chef to have done so.

I enjoy this take. Funding something is not the same as creating it. The Medicis were not artists, Michelangelo, Botticelli, Raphael, etc were.

You might not be a creator, but you could make an argument for being an executive producer.

But then, if working with an artist is reduced to talking at a computer, people seem to forget that whatever output they get is equally obtainable to everyone and therefore immediately uninteresting, unless the art is engaging the audience only in what could already be described using language, rather than the medium itself. In other words, you might ask for something different, but that ask is all you are expressing, nothing is expressed through the medium, which is the job of the artist you have replaced. It is simply generated to literally match the words. Want to stand out? Well, looks like you’ll have to find somebody to put in the work…

That being said, you can always construct from parts. Building a set of sounds from suno asks and using them like samples doesn’t seem that different from crate digging, and I’d never say Madlib isn’t an artist.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by cowboylowrez »

cowboylowrez wrote: post #190
songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

guys I think we're being too hard on this guy, why are we so upset that songeater is now Jimi Hendrix because of Suno? I know I'm jealous, I've been beating on my guitar for decades and I'm still pretty meh, but its because I lack the true creative genius required to type suno.com into my browser, not everyone is cut out to be a literal GUITAR GOD like songeater here. Lets give him the props he deserves for the massi…

I apologise for this comment of mine that I am replying to, it seems like its sort of an unpopular opinion, but in the spirit of AI, please let me allow for some personal back propogation with my own low poly blob of neural networkedness and use this useful training to adjust my personal weights (known to low IQ normies as "values") to better fit in with the community here.

So, this songeater guy, what a poser eh?

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by aeon_ai »

TrackerFF wrote: post #205

I'm a musician, and have been for 25+ years. In fact, I made a living of music before eventually getting my education and working in tech. I've played around with Suno for a couple of months. It works for some things, but to me - it just doesn't give any sense of...accomplishment? I'd much rather sit down with my instruments, and come up with the stuff myself. What is more, I get no feel of ownership. It is not me th…

If you're just using prompts it's almost always just scratching the surface when it comes to creative AI use.

With Suno, using your audio uploads to effectively 'filter' your ideas into something usable, compositing in the DAW, and putting a full song together -- that's going to be a much different experience than "make me a song"

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by regularjack »

Aldipower wrote: post #189
Veedrac wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was using ‘consumer preference’ here as a proxy for ‘the things that people tend to care about.’ The point I'm highlighting is that it's weird that when AI audio comes up, there's a reliable crowd of people discrediting it for missing a thing that clearly doesn't matter that much to most people in most contexts. It's like, sure you can want things from music that are to your specific taste, but it's like coming int…

You still totally miss the point of this thread. Making music and creating art for the sake of enjoyment. Consumer preferences are irrelevant here. I am totally fine if you like AI music. And I am sure someone can create art by interweaving AI elements. And keep in mind, the training data for Suno is coming/gets stolen from someone like me who creates real music. Personally I do not enjoy to make music with some prop…

Completely agree with this. "The audience comes last" is a phrase that perfectly encapsulates this sentiment (can't recall who said it).

Somehow it's assumed that artists make music for the audience, but many make it for themselves, because they enjoy the process.

Contrary to other comments in this thread, typing prompts on a keyboard is not the same as picking up a guitar and playing it.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by regularjack »

fathermarz wrote: post #125

As someone who has been producing music for 20 years, this is absolutely incredible. I remember when I started building things from samples in FL4 and just how mind bending that was. I am so excited for this to actually get new ORIGINAL samples. What people miss is since the creation of Splice, basically all new music that isn’t from an already established artist is paint by numbers. You can get any sample in any key…

Many artists don't use samples.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by tummler »

frozenseven wrote: post #223
southernplaces7 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to convince some tech people about how artistic creation works, and why it's more than just the right amount of "optimization" of bits for rapid results, is about as pointless as trying to make a chimpanzee understand the intricacies of Bach. The reductiveness of some of you is amusing, but also grotesque in the context of what art should mean for human experience.

There's no magical line between "tech people" and "art people". The gatekeeping here is getting desperate as hell when you're now forced to cite Bach.

Skill is nature's way of gatekeeping.

If you're too lazy to put effort into learning how to create an art so you can adequately express yourself, why should some technology do all the work for you, and why should anyone want to hear what "you" (ie: the machine) have to say?

This is exactly how we end up with endless slop, which doesn't provide a unique perspective, just a homogenized regurgitation of inputs.

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