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Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Great post. One lesser known factor that's contributing to this problem is bank consolidation in the US. * Big banks prefer to lend to big companies because it's more profitable to make one $100M loan than 1,000 $100k loans. * Banks also prefer to lend for non-productive consumption like mortgages because loans backed by hard assets are less risky than productive loans to small businesses, despite those loans not con…

It’s almost certainly more profitable to make to make 1,000 $100k loans from a banks point of view as the single loan will be much riskier (effectively not benefiting from the law of large numbers). Not to say there are benefits of dealing large loans such as cross selling other financial products to the large business.

Your second point is totally correct, but it is exacerbated as a result of (broadly good) government policy. A bank wouldn’t mind making uncollateralised loans any more than a mortgage, although it might charge more interest for the risk. However the government penalises banks based on (approximately) the sum of their risk weighted assets [0]. Here mortgages, as collateralised loans, are greatly incentivised over uncollateralised loans to business.

It’s hard to say if the situation would be worse without it, it’s possible we might have more risky business loans leading to growth, but also more likely we could see a serious global financial crisis.

[0] I am simplifying here slightly but you can see how the US ranks major banks here, higher is worse from the banks point of view https://www.fsb.org/uploads/P261124.pdf

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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offtopic, but does anyone know how to disable per-post scrolling on mastodon? I press down arrow to slowly read the rest of the text - and instead it jumps me all the way down

glad to hear I'm not the only one, it's incredibly frustrating, especially when posts aren't big enough to fit on the screen and there is no keyboard-way to read the bottom half ◔̯◔

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Nisbet

and

https://joinordiefilm.com/

One thing I find annoying about that movie is that it doesn't mention Nisbet one of whose major ideas is that a panopoly of organizations of all shapes and sizes mediates the relationship of individuals with the state and other megaorganizations.

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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I associate the Hacker News forum with authentic, reasoned debate and sharing of personal experience and perspective. Your comment wants to engage in a kind of rhetorical pugilism that is very common in other forums, but is uncommon here. It is a style I personally dislike and find counter-productive for every topic, inflaming emotions and driving division rather than synthesizing a variety of perspectives into an in…

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Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Except this is impossible: >They want a job market where one single breadwinner can support their house, spouse and kids If society also wants women to be able to have the same income earning opportunities as men and hence have financial freedom. Animals compete and compare themselves to others, and so everywhere, dual earning households will outcompete single earning households, and so most market participants will…

No? An easy comparison would be a world where the both partners work 20hrs/wk each, for a total of 40hrs, with the rest devoted towards, eg, childcare. That addresses the reason for working (eg, pursuit of interests outside family-raising), while also eschewing the need for full time childcare.

You're basically talking about the shift system. A works for 20hrs a week, B works for 20hrs a week. A spends more time with spouse(A), who does the same at their workplace, and B spends more time with spouse(B), who does the same at their workplace. Sounds great.

But, it falls apart to the same logic GP proposed, that the reason you have dual income households is that they are richer than single income ones. Households where people both work 40hrs = 80hrs will be ahead of those that work only 40hrs total. So everyone will descend to working 80hrs too.

Of course, taking mine and GPs logic to it's conclusion is silly - people will have a point where they stop comparing with others and tradeoff less money for less hours. But looking at reality, it seems like that limit is very high! And it only happens at an already very high salary. A 40hrs/week SWE might not go to a high finance 70hrs/week job, because they're already comfortably paid. However these two are top 1% jobs in the world, and the quality of life is probably not too different. But if you go down to the lower rungs, people are more inclined to compare themselves with peers and tradeoff double hours for the next rung, which entails a much better quality of life (as a % increase)

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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post #21

Great post, thought-provoking. Highly recommended. Interestingly, in the past, the US federal government actively made efforts to keep private organizations from becoming too dominant. Here are just a few examples, from memory: * The Bell system was broken up, resulting in a geographically distributed telecom network: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System : Your phone company was local. * Banks cou…

- What if Google didn't have more money than god, and couldn't afford to bankroll Waymo ~10b? - Would TSMC have gotten as far if Apple couldn't reliably buy out months of capacity on the next node, bankrolling TSMC's tech development? - Would we even have >10B-param LLMs at all? There is something to be said for the concentration of resources, such that they can be deployed on projects with payoffs years or decades l…

Probably the best statement for "biggering up", at least in the case of Africa, was made in a recent editorial in The Economist

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2025/01/06/africa-h...

https://archive.ph/j5CJY

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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post #21

Great post, thought-provoking. Highly recommended. Interestingly, in the past, the US federal government actively made efforts to keep private organizations from becoming too dominant. Here are just a few examples, from memory: * The Bell system was broken up, resulting in a geographically distributed telecom network: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System : Your phone company was local. * Banks cou…

> Interestingly, in the past, the US federal government actively made efforts to keep private organizations from becoming too dominant. They seem to do the opposite now because small businesses can expect little support from the government (and surely no big subsidies like the large players are getting in for example the Stargate joint venture). Especially COVID was seen by many small business owners are extremely to…

What subsidies is Stargate project getting from US government?

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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post #40

In the early 1800's Alexis de Tocqueville attributed a lot of American success to its small organizations/associations: "There is nothing, according to me, that deserves more to attract our regard than the intellectual and moral associations of America.... In democratic countries the science of association is the mother science; the progress of all the others depends on the progress of that one." [0] https://press.uc…

Yeah, I remember he commented on every town having its own local newspaper too, which has obviously been replaced by commercialized mass media today.

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

#229

I’m not sure if that’s true. As a counterpoint, things we rely on like Amazon are actually a lot of tiny businesses that have ideas and now we are able to get their more tailored products, whereas two decades ago, I just got to buy whatever walmart or bestbuy was willing to sell us. Also consider youtube, I watch a lot of tiny creators and two decades ago the only thing available was the major tv networks and cable t…

I think there’s a difference between tiny and small. There are a ton of tiny companies that essentially buy services from fortune 50s and lease from big real estate firms.

Businesses with 50-100 people are pretty rare compared to the past

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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You have to buy your way into voting as a shareholder. In a democracy, it's just your given right as a citizen.

> You have to buy your way into voting as a shareholder. In a democracy, it's just your given right as a citizen. In a democratic country, only the people who have citizenship are allowed to vote. In a shareholders meeting, only the shareholders are allowed to vote. You sometimes cam buy your way into citizenship. As a shareholder, it is your given right to vote in a shareholders meeting.

Even if you think there's no qualitative difference between the 2 (which I think is a deeply immature idea, but whatever), there's an obvious quantitative difference: In practice democratic voting power is much more socioeconomically spread and shared than shareholder voting power.
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