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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by chabska »

adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

> Nobody should be expected to take that risk

I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government.

Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights.

If you apply the same standard to the North Korean citizens, that they should not be expected to "take that risk", they your country's sanctions are pure collective punishment with no strategic value. You just tortured people for fun.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by mvdtnz »

notjosh wrote: post #47
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

your comment is helpful context, especially as a foreigner. but would you be able to edit the "pounding in the ass" phrase out in future when referring to prison? thank you <3

Don't police other people's language.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by constantcrying »

"I am not responsible for the actions of my government, but you, the people who ban me, are responsible for the actions of your government, who made it illegal to transact with me."

Your country is sanctioned. You are asking people to put their own freedom at stake so that you can have a Notion account.

Iran is supplying Russia with drones to attack Ukraine. The sanctions against Iran might be hurting people who do not deserve it, but they aren't some unreasonable act of aggression and you are complaining about your Notion account?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by TiredOfLife »

jbm wrote: post #76
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

I used to agree with this line of reasoning, but then I saw that the same process was used to block war crimes investigators from using Microsoft's software.

Except that didn't happen

https://www.politico.eu/article/microsoft-did-not-cut-servic...

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by lyu07282 »

don_esteban wrote: post #52
barrenko wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is to get people in those contries to overthrow their leadership. And if your're someone sliding into nasty leadership / government situation you have to realize there will be a consequence to that and that the perception of the ruling party can never be separated from the perception of the people.

"The point is to get people in those contries to overthrow their leadership." No, that's for consumption by population of the sanctioning country. The people in the know know very well that that never works. The point is for every other country in the world to see how much it hurts if you don't follow the wishes of USA. Classic mafia strategy. The exception were the sanctions on Russia at the start of the Ukraine war…

Ironically the amount of sanctions the US put in place around the world is a large driving force for the decline of LIO and emergence of things like BRICS and SCO. I'm sure sanctions against Cuba and Venezuela are going to lead to regime change any moment now. The more you know, the more grotesque it all becomes, fortunately most know nothing.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

lukan wrote: post #216
tgma wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an extremely important, often overlooked, point. I also know of many "educated Iranians" living in the US who voice their opinion as GP suggests, and are self-proclaimed to be anti-regime. However, they travel to Iran to visit family and friends twice a year and take an iPhone or two on their way to gift them, directly benefiting the Mullah's system. I don't think a jew would have gone back to Nazi Germany to…

"I don't think a jew would have gone back to Nazi Germany to visit family" Then I recommend some history books. Family ties can be strong and the persecution of the jews was not always as violent and open as it was during the war. It was more systematic discrimination in the beginning, so of course people still travelled back and forth. Uprooting a whole family is not a simple thing. "Some even line up to vote for sh…

> If that would be true, they would be a democracy.

I am positing perhaps they are a democracy. Many of the "educated people" in question that the GP suggests "hate" the government, may say so but their actions nevertheless are directly and indirectly benefiting the Mullahs. Democracy does not mean good, or effective, or not evil. It might be a collective compromise towards mediocrity and stagnation.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by mvdtnz »

stavros wrote: post #205
toolis wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Well, this gives me license to be angry at all US voters then.

Not just voters. You don't need to have voted to be doing something about what's happening in your country. You should blame Americans - all Americans - for what is happening over there.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by redbell »

That was a difficult and frustrating reading! I never imagined that sanctions could hit individuals this hard, especially on the digital side. You get banned from outside and blocked from inside. You can read about The Internet situation inside Iran here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33025954

There was a lot of interesting stuff went into the article:

1. Microsoft:

> Back when I was a student, I got access to the Microsoft Imagine, and as a result, I got access to the Microsoft Store as a developer.

Then:

> Microsoft deleted my app, my developer account, and all those comments on my app supporting me and suggesting ideas on how to improve the program.. but I assume it's because of the sanctions.

Here, I got a novice question: Knowing this individual is from a sanctioned country, Why you are allowing him in the first place to put a lot of work to build an app but, after having some success, you destroyed him entirely?!

Also, suggesting ideas on how to improve the program after deleting my account is one of the most hilarious things I have ever read. It is a strong indicator that these emails are just templates built automatically with no soul or human touch. Yes, you heard it right: you are just a row in a table!.. but you still manage to have a PRIMARY_KEY!

2. Notion:

> Since It has been suspended permanently, there's still no option to get it back even by going outside those countries. Sorry for the Inconvenience. Take care.

Same as above! Why letting me build a base of data then one day, you delete it permanently without prior notice or the ability to export it then you apologize for the Inconvenience and tell me to take care of myself!

3. Mike Cardwell:

> I read hackernews on a daily basis

Oh, this made me relief a little bit! I hope Hacker News is neither being banned in any country nor blocking traffic from any country.

> Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians.

Blaming then punishing an ordinary citizen for arming a foreign country to kill civilians without clear evidence is so dumb.

Also, this reminds me of this post entitled Namecheap: Russia Service Termination (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30504812):

   Unfortunately, due to the Russian regime's war crimes and human rights violations in Ukraine, we will no longer be providing services to users registered in Russia.
4. GitHub:

> However, later, GitHub announced that github is now available in Iran

Good News! read here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25648585

5. TIL

TIL about this 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons status code. I won't ever return this code for my websites, everybody, from everywhere, is welcome :)

Finally, I have a dream.. the dream to live to the day where a true open internet sees the light where the entire world have unrestricted access to the same online resources.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by theshrike79 »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #126
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proudly written from a western country with a functional democracy. If it was that easy, there wouldn't be shitty countries everywhere.

I live in a western democracy and still endorse very little my government does.

Neither do I, but I know that in a few more years we have an open and free and trustworthy election where we can (and looking at the polls most likely WILL) throw these current idiots out and get a brand new group to ruin the country in their own unique way.

In countries like Iran, Türkiye and soon the USofA, you really can't do anything with your vote. Either there is no vote or it really doesn't matter.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by constantcrying »

vasco wrote: post #70
palmfacehn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: >I read hackernews on a daily basis and I visit lots of different websites regularly. I am almost always on my VPN as I am internally firewalled by the government and externally shooed because of the sanctions, so I am probably missing some of these heart-warming messages: >>Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civili…

Only way to widthraw consent in a democracy is moving to pay your taxes somewhere else.

Your government might just build an antifaschistischen Schutzwall to keep that from happening.
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