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Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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I wonder where the balance of “Actual time saved for me” vs “Everyone else's time wasted” lies in this technological “revolution”.

This is not unique to AI tools. I've seen it with new expense tools that are great for accounting but terrible to use, or some contract review process that makes it easier on legal or infosec review of a SaaS tool that everyone and their uncle already uses. It's always natural to push all the work off to someone else because it feels like you saved time.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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post #6

I wonder where the balance of “Actual time saved for me” vs “Everyone else's time wasted” lies in this technological “revolution”.

Yeah when reviewing code nowadays once I'm 5-10 comments in and it becomes obvious it was AI generated, I say to go fix it and that I'll review it after. The time waste is insane.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never seen an AI meeting summary that was useful or sufficient in explaining what happened in the meeting. I have no idea what people use them for other than as a status signal

Why do people want to signal their low status?

That’s a good point, an AI email/Slack/summary postions you as at bootlicker at best, writing summaries to look good, and a failed secretary at most, but in any case of low value on the real-work scale.

I’m just afraid this kind of types are the future people who get promoted.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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> The reporter was banned and now it looks like he has removed his account. I'm wondering (sadly) if this is a kind of defense-prodding phishing similar to the XZ utils hack, curl is a pretty fundamental utility. Similar to 419 scams, it tests the gullibility, response time/workload of the team, etc. We have an AI DDoS problem here, which may need a completely new pathway for PRs or something. Maybe Nostr based so PR…

I see it on forums now too. On Reddit, midsized subs that get a mild amount of traffic get these brand new accounts that post what reads like an amalgam of past posts. Often in help forums where people ask questions.

They have that uncanny thing where yes it's on topic, but also not how a human would likely ask exactly AND they always let slip in just a hint of human drama that really draws in other users...

They almost never respond to comments, when they do it's pretty clear they're AI (much like the response in this story).

I've unsubscribed from a good half dozen subs in the past few months because of it.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Crazy how he doubled down by just pasting badger's answer into Chat and submitting the (hilariously obvious AI) reply: > Thanks for the quick review. You’re right — my attached PoC does not exercise libcurl and therefore does not demonstrate a cURL bug. I retract the cookie overflow claim and apologize for the noise. Please close this report as invalid. If helpful, I can follow up separately with a minimal C reproduc…

This reads as an AI generated response as well with the; "thanks", "you're right", flawless grammar, and plenty of technical references.

Faking grammar mistakes is the new meta of proving that you wrote something yourself.

Or faking generated content into real one.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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post #6

I wonder where the balance of “Actual time saved for me” vs “Everyone else's time wasted” lies in this technological “revolution”.

How much time did they save if they didn't find any vulnerability? They just wasted someone's time and nothing else.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This resonates a lot with some observations I drafted last week about "AI Slop" at the workplace. Overall, people are making a net-negative contribution by not having a sense of when to review/filter the responses generated by AI tools, because either (i) someone else is required to make that additional effort, or (ii) the problem is not solved properly. This sounds similar to a few patterns I noted - The average len…

I have never seen an AI meeting summary that was useful or sufficient in explaining what happened in the meeting. I have no idea what people use them for other than as a status signal

In my company we sometimes cherry-pick parts of the AI summaries and send them to the clients just to confirm the stuff that we agreed on during a meeting. The customers know that the summary is AI-generated and they don't mind. Sometimes people come to me and ask whether what they read in the summary was really discussed in the meeting or is it just AI hallucinating but I can usually assure them that we really did discuss that. So these can be useful to a degree.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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post #14
post #6

I wonder where the balance of “Actual time saved for me” vs “Everyone else's time wasted” lies in this technological “revolution”.

You're doing it wrong: You should just feed other peoples AI-generated responses into your own AI tools and let the tool answer for you! The loop is then closed, no human time wasted, and the only effect is wasted energy to run the AI tools. It's the perfect business model to turn energy into money.

Two economists are walking in a forest when they come across a pile of shit. The first economist says to the other “I’ll pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit.

They continue walking until they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist turns to the first and says “I’ll pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The first economist takes the $100 and eats a pile of shit.

Walking a little more, the first economist looks at the second and says, "You know, I gave you $100 to eat shit, then you gave me back the same $100 to eat shit. I can't help but feel like we both just ate shit for nothing."

"That's not true", responded the second economist. "We increased the GDP by $200!"

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Crazy how he doubled down by just pasting badger's answer into Chat and submitting the (hilariously obvious AI) reply: > Thanks for the quick review. You’re right — my attached PoC does not exercise libcurl and therefore does not demonstrate a cURL bug. I retract the cookie overflow claim and apologize for the noise. Please close this report as invalid. If helpful, I can follow up separately with a minimal C reproduc…

Is it that crazy? He's doing exactly what the AI boosters have told him to do. Like, do LLMs have actual applications? Yes. By virtue of using one, are you by definition a lazy know-nothing? No. Are they seemingly quite purpose-built for lazy know-nothings to help them bullshit through technical roles? Yeah, kinda. In my mind this is this tech working exactly as intended. From the beginning the various companies have…

I have a long-running interest in NLP, LLMs basically solved or almost solved a lot of NLP problems.

The usefulness of LLMs for me, in the end, is their ability to execute classic NLP tasks, so I can incorporate a call for them in programs to do useful stuff that would be hard to do otherwise when dealing with natural language.

But, a lot of times, people try to make LLMs do things that they can only simulate doing, or doing by analogy. And this is where things start getting hairy. When people start believing LLMs can do things they can't do really.

Ask an LLM to extract features from a bunch of natural language inputs, and probably it will do a pretty good job in most domains, as long as you're not doing anything exotic and novel enough to not being sufficiently represented in the training data. It will be able to output a nice JSON with nice values for those features, and it will be mostly correct. It will be great for aggregate use, but a bit riskier for you to depend on the LLM evaluation for individual instances.

But then, people ignore this, and start asking on their prompts for the LLM to add to their output confidence scores. Well. LLMs CAN'T TRULY EVALUATE the fitness of their output for any imaginable criteria, at least not with the kind of precision a numeric score implies. They absolutely can't do it by themselves, even if sometimes they seem to be able to. If you need to trust it, you'd better have some external mechanism to validate it.

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