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Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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cj wrote: post #32
Wistar wrote: post #3

Last night I encountered a 3 min+ ad on YT about the construction of the iPhone 17 Pro. A few seconds were devoted to the cooling system. I watched the whole thing. It was better than the video it interrupted. https://youtu.be/_-AS5DtDeqs?si=rTfubRDArVupqREt

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

After iPhone 14, they are remarkably durable in any fall situation.

My 14 pro flew from its mount while driving 80km on a motorbike in Vietnam and bounced about on the asphalt, when I eventually retrieved it, it had a few small scratches, and a crack at the back, which I “fixed” by just adding a case.

Honestly I was incredibly surprised, previous phones I owned would shatter to bits if the fell from the bedside table, this guy literally survived a highway toss. Props to the engineers.

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Post by buu700 »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #129
hombre_fatal wrote: post #117

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Yeah, I never understand these caseless discussions. I went caseless once since I didn't realize my case would arrive a week after I bought the phone. The phone was slippery (couldn't temporarily rest it on my knee), and I found myself inspecting the restaurant/bar table any time I put the phone down after that one night I placed it right into a puddle of beer condensation and some mysterious food that got in the mic…

I go caseless just because of sheer amount of bulk cases add, even the "thin" ones. It significantly impacts how easy the device is to hold and pocket. The Air I might consider putting a bumper case on since its thinness offsets the bulk increase, but it's specifically made to be resilient to drops so it's a coin toss even with that. I barely drop my phone though, it happens maybe twice a year, usually on carpet. In…

I go caseless just because of sheer amount of bulk cases add, even the "thin" ones.

That's why I use an aramid fiber case from AliExpress. It's paper-thin, but has saved my phone from more drops than can remember. I used to go caseless, but since trying out aramid I don't see any practical benefit to caselessness.

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Post by seer »

bri3d wrote: post #153
cj wrote: post #32

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Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

I started using cases after having a Pixel 2 XL shatter in a 1 foot drop onto a granite countertop, but started going case-less again with my most recent iPhone 15 Pro (ironically, after the horrible quality Apple case I mistakenly bought with it disintegrated). It's been a year so far of completely non-cautious use and my general take is: * The screen still scratches; I leave my phone in my pocket or a bicycle saddl…

The scratches are a feature not a bug. Older iPhones used to scratch way less, but shatter when sneezed at.

Now the glass has “a bit more give” which allows it to bounce back and not break like the super hard ones from before.

I’ve abused my 14 pro for quite a while and it has a lot of scratches, but only when the screen is off, otherwise I don’t really see them. Ironically the always on display helps here …

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Post by lovich »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #164
tw04 wrote: post #146

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> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

> In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one.

If you’re going to include the pre smart phone era of mobile phones in the discussion, it would be nice to let people know

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Post by dannyw »

reaperducer wrote: post #7
thewebguyd wrote: post #4

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Got my air yesterday and it definitely gets hot. Will see how it does after a few days as I expected the heat due to the initial sync and transfer, and iOS indexes everything for a day or two. But even then it was no hotter than my 16 Pro

Got my air yesterday and it definitely gets hot. Will see how it does after a few days as I expected the heat due to the initial sync and transfer, and iOS indexes everything for a day or two. I have one, too, and you're right that the heating is just what happens while it restores its data and settings and whatnot. I believe it also re-scans your entire photo library to re-identify dogs, cars, people, etc. with what…

As a photographer with over 50,000 photos in my iCloud, getting new iPhones is a pain.

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Post by tpm »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #164
tw04 wrote: post #146

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> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

For some time I was like you. But then things happened, for example I put the phone on an outdoor restaurant table, someone kicked the table, phone fell down onto the metal base of the table, screen cracked. There isn't really anything I could do to save it short of not carrying it around, or using a case.

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Post by SenHeng »

Aloisius wrote: post #107
0_____0 wrote: post #51

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Any passive phase change thermal solution is doing the same thing - take thermal energy from one place, and distribute it for dissipation. My point is that the geometric configuration isn't that important, it's doing the same work the same way. Not really worth arguing about, I just suspect that the branding people love that they had a new buzzword in "vapor chamber" to bandy about. I liked this article from 10 years…

"Vapor chamber" isn't a new buzzword. It's been the name for flat plate heat pipes since the 1970s. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19770025469/downloads/19...

This thread reminds me of a friend that was dismissive of anything Apple does. “They didn’t invent it”, “they rebranded someone else’s invention”, “maybe they invented it but all those features are just marketing”.

No, he has never used owned or used an Apple product. Not worth his time.

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Post by a2dam »

buu700 wrote: post #222
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #129

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I go caseless just because of sheer amount of bulk cases add, even the "thin" ones. It significantly impacts how easy the device is to hold and pocket. The Air I might consider putting a bumper case on since its thinness offsets the bulk increase, but it's specifically made to be resilient to drops so it's a coin toss even with that. I barely drop my phone though, it happens maybe twice a year, usually on carpet. In…

I go caseless just because of sheer amount of bulk cases add, even the "thin" ones. That's why I use an aramid fiber case from AliExpress. It's paper-thin, but has saved my phone from more drops than can remember. I used to go caseless, but since trying out aramid I don't see any practical benefit to caselessness.

Which one do you recommend?
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