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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by boothby »

jacquesm wrote: post #210
Havoc wrote: post #134

This has very strong "cruelty is the point" vibes. There are a fair bit of international flights in the 10-12 hour range. Add some time to pack, get to airport, baggage check, get through security & how the flight times line up and this seems calculated in a way that is precisely not doable. Never mind people not perpetually online and only seeing this a couple hours later Meanwhile there is to my knowledge no reason…

Yes, no way that any of this isn't finely calibrated to cause maximum misery. I was on the wrong side of the border when 9/11 happened, for months a whole chunk of my life was in limbo. Thanks to giving my bookkeeper emergency power of attorney in just such an eventuality we managed to squeak through but if not for that bit of foresight I'm not sure if we would have.

Wild. I flew domestically about a week after 9/11 and forgot that I had my leatherman in my pocket until I got to security... and the xray operator didn't see it in my backpack.

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Post by mindslight »

jacquesm wrote: post #209
mindslight wrote: post #161

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Not a whole lot more. Abroad he was viewed as a third rate actor and a fourth rate president. Some accidents of timing whitewashed his tenure.

It certainly felt as if behind the Republican party of yesteryear, there were some real values and ideals that benefited the nominally American status quo power structure. Maybe I've just fallen for the whitewashing.

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Post by JetSetWilly »

rich_sasha wrote: post #169

UK around Brexit time thought kind of similar: let's keep the "riffraff" immigrants out by applying higher criteria. The narrative also changed this way: we don't want immigrants in general, but you , with your highly paid PhD-requiring job, you can go in, on a 2 year rolling basis. Then everyone's a winner, except for unwanted, unskilled labour. But a lot of skilled labour left anyway. Partly because the general atm…

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Post by happytoexplain »

thisisit wrote: post #190
0xy wrote: post #68

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H1Bs are slave labor and the program is used primarily by sweat shop consultancies who pay them less than Americans. This will be incredible for Americans looking for work. They don't have to compete with artificially cheap workers.

As I posted in another thread people seem to be stuck on this point. Lets agree - some H1B was exploited by sweat shop consultancies who pay less than Americans. And this might be incredible for Americans looking for work. But in what world does this kind of policy implementation is justified? How is this a functioning bureaucracy in a functioning democracy where people can suffer like this?

Exactly. At this point, I think American businesses need to be forced back toward hiring Americans at legal gunpoint, with the exception of extremely high-skill immigrants (we still need to attract brains). But of course there was never a chance in hell this administration could implement such a complex thing without glaring holes, incompetence, and cruelty.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

jacquesm wrote: post #157
lotsofpulp wrote: post #153

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In almost every single jurisdiction? That would be an impressive fraud to pull off. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/p... >More than 89 percent of counties in the United States shifted in favor of former President Donald J. Trump in the 2024 presidential election, according to a New York Times analysis of election results.

No, you don't need to do that in 'almost every single jurisdiction'. That's a strawman.

It would be quite the coincidence then for all the voting precincts to swing towards the same candidate as the fraud.

I find it likelier that people’s preferences simply changed.

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Post by 0xy »

Aurornis wrote: post #115
0xy wrote: post #68

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H1Bs are slave labor and the program is used primarily by sweat shop consultancies who pay them less than Americans. This will be incredible for Americans looking for work. They don't have to compete with artificially cheap workers.

> H1Bs are slave labor How did we get to a point where people casually call H1B tech workers often earning $120K or more “slave labor”?

When their identically leveled peers earn $300k.

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Post by jonathanstrange »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #225
jacquesm wrote: post #157

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No, you don't need to do that in 'almost every single jurisdiction'. That's a strawman.

It would be quite the coincidence then for all the voting precincts to swing towards the same candidate as the fraud. I find it likelier that people’s preferences simply changed.

Possible but a simple software update can also do the trick. That's just a fact and the reason why no one should trust a democracy based on voting machines. Experts have been warning against voting machines for decades.

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Post by 0xdde »

rayiner wrote: post #172
jacquesm wrote: post #27

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The democracy stopped functioning a while ago, this is just the bills being presented.

You’re using the term “democracy” in an Orwellian way. The people voted for the guy who promised mass deportations. There were signs and everything. Multiple surveys have found that, if everyone had voted, he would have won by an even larger margin. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-elec... A non-functioning democracy would be if the people voted this way and mass deportations didn’t happen. Lik…

You're using "Orwellian" in an Orwellian way. What do mass deportations have to do with this bizarre sudden policy change that leaves people scrambling with a 15 hour window? You're claiming this is exactly what people had in mind when they voted?

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Post by Havoc »

stronglikedan wrote: post #45
tom89999 wrote: post #24

Get your relatives and family out of this shithole and start a new life somewhere else. Why paying taxes for fat crooks? Why working your ass off for major companiel that dont pay taxes? I more and more understand people leaving their home country.

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This comment reminds me of that newsroom clip about America being the Greatest Country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJh9t9h6Wn0

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Post by lotsofpulp »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #227
lotsofpulp wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be quite the coincidence then for all the voting precincts to swing towards the same candidate as the fraud. I find it likelier that people’s preferences simply changed.

Possible but a simple software update can also do the trick. That's just a fact and the reason why no one should trust a democracy based on voting machines. Experts have been warning against voting machines for decades.

Do all the jurisdictions use the same software? It would surprise me if we are at that level of centralization, plus no discrepancies appeared between audited paper ballots and the software counts?
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