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The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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It’s tempting to see things like this and think “well of course it does, because that’s how we evolved”. But I think that might just be post-rationalization? At the very least, I think the argument _doesn’t_ hold for periodic famine, extreme temperatures, most disease, etc even though we also evolved with those things. Is there any guiding principle that separates the things-we-evolved-with-that-are-good vs the -that…

Since I was a little kid I was always skeptical of slathering something all over my body just to go outside. Just thought…how did people survive before this stuff if we really need it so bad.

The ozone layer wasn't as weak as it is now. We receive more radiation from the sun at the surface than we did before CFCs.

In the past, people, in general, remained in the general vicinity of where they were born. Different skin types adapted to different amounts of sunlight.

We also didn't have the knowledge to link death and disease with their actual causes.

That said, in the past, people used variety of materials for sunscreen without the knowledge that "too much radiation bad". Mud/clay/etc seems to be something multiple cultures over time used. In cultures where working in the sun is common, wearing long clothes that blocks the sun is also a thing, and works like sunscreen.

Given that last point, I think baking in the sun while nearly naked to the point of developing disease is a relatively recent cultural thing, but that's just a guess.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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The helper verb 'may' should accompany any scientific result as the scientific method usually cannot prove causations but only negate the null hypothesis.

I still think “increased sun exposure correlates with decreased all cause mortality” makes a better headline, but then maybe that’s why I’m not an editor.

The word 'correlates' in a title is borderline click bait-y due to possible intended confusion with 'causes'. Also it has little value. Consider the equivalent "decreased all cause mortality correlates with increased sun exposure". The word play is crazy. 'May' captures the relation and is correct philosophically.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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I think people should be highly skeptical of articles like this, even without knowing anything about the subject in question. No byline/author. No citations/links to the studies in question. Confirmation of preconceived notions that people would like to be true (e.g. the sun as a wellness remedy instead of damaging to skin), including unfounded "just so" stories and claims about evolution, diabetes, and other unrelat…

Very simple, studies all confirm that people who spend more time outdoors have better eyesight at youth (avoids myopia) and health (exercise), use sunscreen (avoid skin cancer). No need to speculate more.

No, it’s not very simple.

I’ve spent on average 15 hours outside as a kid, still -6. So take all those “studies” with a grain of salt, they might be not applicable to you.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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> A study published last year, for instance, examined medical data from 360,000 light-skinned Brits and found that greater exposure to UV radiation—either from living in Britain’s sunnier southern bits rather than the darker north, or from regularly using sunbeds—was correlated with either a 12% and 15% lower risk, respectively, of dying, even when the raised risk of skin cancer was taken into account. Emphasis on “m…

time of day and UV index is the most important thing, right? That is how you can accurately assess the “risk” of being exposed in direct sunlight. Example: would you put on sunscreen when playing volleyball at the beach at 4:30pm, if the UV index at that time is 2 (UVI scale)? That seems completely unnecessary imo. And many people are vitamin d deficient anyway, so the minor sun exposure would certainly do more good.…

People don’t have a nuanced view of when to use sunscreen. You can see for yourself in the comments, there’s plenty of loud certainty and context is left behind. And I’d have expected this group to at least understand that the need for sunscreen is based on the position of the sun during the day.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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The Economist a few years back did an article on Steon (free energy engine) but it was essentially a PR piece soliciting investors… so take them with a grain of salt

Journalists fucked up massively when they allowed sponsored content to masquerade as editorial content. Now people don't trust media as much as they used to and are moving to other sources to get their information. What journalists around the world need to do is come together and build consensus in the industry on separating sponsored content from their own. A tiny, fine print at the bottom of a full page sponsor is…

How few average people care about any of this any more? Especially the incoming generation. There's not care about quality.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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when your skin turns pale white your body is screaming for sunlight. it wants sunlight just like your body wants food and makes you hungry. if sunlight were so deadly then everyone would have skin that was pitch black and doesnt change. but we have this insane adaptive system to make sure we are always getting a trickle of UV. why else would we evolve this system if sunlight werent extremely important?

> when your skin turns pale white your body is screaming for sunlight.

Complete bullshit.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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> for a species that evolved in the sun, I do not believe one bit that sun exposure, which incidentally is linked to many benefits because it’s so bloody normal, is something that can only be dealt with modern technology and we should be deathly afraid of it. Sure, UV radiation can cause mutations, but our immune system has evolved over billions of years to deal with this exact problem. Yeah, most of the time our imm…

Cancer is a parasite, the sun kills parasites.

Also bleach to cure corona.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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I used to avoid the sun, thinking that staying out of it was the healthier choice. But after spending long periods indoors, especially during the darker winter months, I started feeling constantly tired and low. A blood test later showed I was seriously low on vitamin D.

Since then, I’ve made a point to get a bit of sunlight each day. Over time, I noticed my energy and mood improved. That small, consistent exposure to sunlight really does seem to make a subtle but meaningful difference in both body and mind.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

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I think people should be highly skeptical of articles like this, even without knowing anything about the subject in question. No byline/author. No citations/links to the studies in question. Confirmation of preconceived notions that people would like to be true (e.g. the sun as a wellness remedy instead of damaging to skin), including unfounded "just so" stories and claims about evolution, diabetes, and other unrelat…

Sure but you should also be highly skeptical of people telling you that sunscreen is always required to go outside. A lot of the studies are funded by sunscreen companies which stand to make a lot of money. > Tanning is a response to skin cell damage I don't think this is true in any meaningful sense. Damage is part of life. Your body repairs minor damage and it is usually a good thing to trigger the repair pathways…

> This is also the basis for exercise - your muscles and tendons are damaged when you work out, but they get rebuilt stronger

This is an outdated view, evidence shows muscle/tendon growth/adaptation occurs primarily via mechanical tension and metabolic stress, with damage playing a minimal or even counterproductive role. hypertrophy happens despite it, not because of it.

[The development of skeletal muscle hypertrophy through resistance training: the role of muscle damage and muscle protein synthesis. Schoenfeld et al., 2017](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29282529/)

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