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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by freedomben »

toast0 wrote: post #160
Obscurity4340 wrote: post #44

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Not sure but theres zero downside to getting it

Information from the CDC [1], indicates Adverse Reactions are similar to administration of a placebo, which is not zero. Any vaccine administration has potential for negative adverse reactions, it's reasonable not to get a vaccine if you judge the upside is not worth the downside, even if the downside is small. The CDC says: > Like all medical interventions, vaccines can have some side effects. [1] https://www.cdc.go…

If it's similar to placebo, doesn't that imply that it's pretty much non-existent?

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by boxerab »

habinero wrote: post #209
boxerab wrote: post #134

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And yet, this is a valid concern for any new drug - does it have a net positive benefit ? And can you guess why DTP was replaced by DTaP in the developed world, while people like Gates and orgs like GAVI are still promoting it in the third world ?

There's nothing anyone can say to change your mind, and that's incredibly sad.

facts don't care about your feelings, can you answer the question ?

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by bluGill »

toasterlovin wrote: post #131
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #99

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Yes. “The route of HPV transmission is primarily through skin-to-skin or skin-to-mucosa contact. Sexual transmission is the most documented, but there have been studies suggesting non-sexual courses. The horizontal transfer of HPV includes fomites, fingers, and mouth, skin contact (other than sexual). Self-inoculation is described in studies as a potential HPV transmission route, as it was certified in female virgins…

Right, but do the vaccines help against the strains of HPV that are transmitted via non-sexual contact? The vaccine being 9-valent implies (to me, a layman) that strains need to be targeted fairly specifically in order for vaccination to be effective.

Unclear. There are reports that warts (a form of hpv - but not one the vacine is directly for) are also reduced - but I'm not aware of formal studies

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by pyuser583 »

loeg wrote: post #214
pyuser583 wrote: post #172

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When I'm in my doctor's office, and the doctor is saying "don't do that" it is quite hard to tell the difference.

Did you actually ask your doctor and receive that guidance, or is this purely a hypothetical?

Multiple times. I’ve specifically asked about this vaccine again and again.

I’ve had a few GPs in the past 20 years. They’re consistent.

I admit it’s weird. And ideologically I feel like a bit of a laggard.

But I’ve had both the conversation with my doctor, and the conversation with online “smart people who know better than my doctor” many times.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by pyuser583 »

strictnein wrote: post #190
pyuser583 wrote: post #187

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RFK Jr wasn't doing anything worth talking about during the multiple times in the past 15 years my doctors have told me it wasn't recommended. Please do not turn mainstream medical advice into a fringe position.

It's a standard vaccine for preteen/teen boys now too. If your doctor has been telling you not to get it for the past 15 years, they've been doing you a disservice.

I haven’t been a preteen boy for the past 15 years.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by mrheosuper »

abirch wrote: post #16
everdrive wrote: post #9

Does the vaccine benefit you if you've already been infected?

There are multiple strains of HPV and most people haven't been infected with all of the strains. from https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/by_th...

Does the vaccine work against all strains ?

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by pyuser583 »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #195
pyuser583 wrote: post #175

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From what I have heard, that is true for many, many vaccines. I think it's weird and creepy people are selectively opting into vaccines that are not recommended for them. It feels a bit like those ads that say "bring up Expedia with your doctor!" This isn't a good PSA. Should I be vaccinated against smallpox too? How about anthrax?

If we had as trivial of vaccinations for smallpox, anthrax, and rabies as we have for HPV, I'd collect them all. One fewer risk in my life, and a finite reduction in the risk of everyone around me's life, with no downside at all. 1 pin prick * 340,000,000 people > 340,000,000 people * 6.1 cases of cervical cancer * 0.9 efficacy / 100,000 people Your world view assigns equally negative utility to at most 18,214 shots…

If I was told by my doctor I shouldn’t get the vaccine I wouldn’t get it.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by boxerab »

8note wrote: post #150
boxerab wrote: post #136

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very few people are against vaccines per se, they are just against *unsafe* vaccines. "anti-vax" is a term used to dismiss dissident without having to deal with their arguments i.e an ad hominem. As an analogy, if I object to high levels of mercury in fish, am I anti-fish? or anti-poisonous-fish ?

"unsafe" is a loaded term in your fish analogy, you eat mecury directly, but wont eat fish that might have mercury. the communicable disease is itself quite dangerous

I think you missed the point. Granted the disease is dangerous, but what if the cure is worse ? If we don't know this is true, we ought to assume the risk outweighs the benefits until PROVEN otherwise- that is the precautionary principle. As an analogy take Vioxx, a headache remedy that caused thousands of heart attacks. Merck the manufacturer started an advertising campaign for the drug AFTER the learned it was killing people - they were ultimately fined 4.5 billion.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp048286

The docket shows us that pharmaceutical companies are serial felons who have paid some of the largest fines in history for lying about their products. It is prudent to be skeptical until proven otherwise.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by braincat31415 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #104
chris_wot wrote: post #25

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Amazing how badly the United States is regressing. Literally measles is making a comeback due to idiots like RFK.

Maybe we’re seeing selection pressure against those prone to addictive cycles of social-media influenced misinformation? Like, anti-vaxers died at higher rates in Covid [1]. This will continue across disease outbreaks, particularly ones for which we have near-comprehensive vaccines like measles. And given antivax sensibility is heritable (through parenting, not genes), one would expect this to stabilize the populatio…

The article you are referencing is based on CDC data which is not matched by a more complete data maintained by UKHSA. I think Norman Fenton commented on that at some point. I'd be careful when taking its conclusions at a face value. I actually went through that paper and looked at the UKHSA data back in 2023. And the government was spreading a lot of BS, too. I'll let the "CDC can do no wrong" crowd pile up.
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