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AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I'm permanently banned from Reddit for calling a "power mod" of SF Bay Area a nimby when he was complaining about increased traffic in his neighborhood and that they had to put a stop sign up at a major intersection. They IP and hardward device banned me, it's crazy! Any appeal auto-rejected and can't make new accounts.

...is nimby a dirty word now or something?

Always has been

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I thought you were going to point out distinct etymology, but these terms do seem linked, no? Not surprising that the shared lineage confers shared problems.

I had to Google it, but apparently it comes from cars, where a riced car has stripes and spoilers and such to make it look like a race car. One source claimed rice was race inspired custum e-forgot, the other did claim a link with asian street racing.

I expect that r.i.c.e. was overfit. Asian imports are called riceburners, ostensibly because asian cultures consume a lot of rice. I guess it could be contrived as racist, but it's relatively harmless in the scope of things...

I'm speculating further: but the imports were cheap and had a thriving aftermarket of bolt-on parts e.g. body and turbo kits. The low barrier of entry afforded opportunities for anybody to play. Ricing was probably a perjorative issued by domestic enthusiasts that was adopted ironically by Asian import enthusiasts. If you can imagine there was a lot of diversity, people who would bolt up body kits to clapped out Civics to people that would push 700hp with extensively tuned cars with no adornments. I think in particular ricing was the more aesthetically motivated of the crowd.

This was later adopted by computer enthusiasts that like to add embelishments to their desktops, things like rainmeter/rocketdock and Windows/Linux skins and etc...

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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The ads won't be for the product which will bring you maximum value. They will be for the product that will bring the advertiser maximum profit (for example, by manipulating you into buying something overpriced). The products which are really good and cheap, giving all their surplus value to you and just a little bit to the maker, will lose the bidding for the ad slot.

Right. I think ai on the user's side is going to be necessary soon. Then they can negotiate with the advertiser's AI to determine what to show. This will need to be on the platform level or the hardware level. This solves the problem of seeing ads that are not best for the user.

You are talking about running ads auctions locally. This is never going to happen because if the company was inclined to rank ads by relevance they could already do so at their end. Just use an ad blocker.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Worth noting this isn't hypothetical. There was a story a while back where a health insurance company would hire real doctors to sit at computers all day clicking "accept AI resolution" over and over (they were fired if they rejected AI resolutions) because the law required that.

Yup! Just fought three denials with Cigna over the last 6 months for rejections of basic appointments for a physical, an ambulance ride for a family member, and one bigger ticket health expense. They haven’t approved a single insurance claim submitted without calling and fighting it out with them. Each rejection letter looks plausible, although often nonsensical given the situation.

It almost makes me wonder if the solution is the same as for arbitration clause. Giving users the ability to fight it in a semi-automatic way as well ( so AI generated response plan, calls and so on ). I am not entirely certain where it would go, but.. where we are at is already annoying. I have a good medical insurance and they still keep trying to chisel any way they can ( wife just got a letter asking to confirm she does not, in fact, have a health plan in her job ).

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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post #223

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Right. I think ai on the user's side is going to be necessary soon. Then they can negotiate with the advertiser's AI to determine what to show. This will need to be on the platform level or the hardware level. This solves the problem of seeing ads that are not best for the user.

You are talking about running ads auctions locally. This is never going to happen because if the company was inclined to rank ads by relevance they could already do so at their end. Just use an ad blocker.

Right, what I am saying is an AI powered ad blocker essentially. Because some ads are good and mutually beneficial.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I wish I could fund an as campaign to free people from the perception that ads are to sell you products Ads are there to change your behavior to make you more likely to buy products, e.g., put downward pressure on your self esteem to make you feel "less than" unless you live a lifestyle that happens to involve buying X product They are not made in your best interest, they are adverserial psycho-tech that have a side…

Ads are there to change your behavior to make you more likely to buy products You have described one type of ad. There are many many types of ads. If you were actually knowledgeable about this, you'd know that basic fact.

You put downward pressure on me to sell me on your idea

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I'm permanently banned from Reddit for calling a "power mod" of SF Bay Area a nimby when he was complaining about increased traffic in his neighborhood and that they had to put a stop sign up at a major intersection. They IP and hardward device banned me, it's crazy! Any appeal auto-rejected and can't make new accounts.

...is nimby a dirty word now or something?

Any word can be a dirty word when someone who is definitely that thing is insecure about being that thing. Bonus points - those kind of people tend to love going around calling other people that thing too.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I take it you haven't seen this then: https://cybersecuritynews.com/fraudgpt-new-black-hat-ai-tool...

different flavour gpt wrapper

Could this argument not be made for anything plugged in to OpenAI's API? If so, I don't see how it's a response to the point.

If you make an app for interacting with an LLM and in the app the user has access to all sorts of stolen databases, and other conveniences for black hats, then you've got what was described above. Or I'm missing something?

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote the most internet meme comment I could think of “girl let go of that spider, we gotta set the house on fire” hit the button to post, only it did not post, it gave me an account strike. At the time I was the only developer at my employer who managed our Facebo…

Maybe it banned you because you used a comma splice[0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice

The song 'word crimes' (Weird Al) immediately comes to mind

https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc

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