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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by stpedgwdgfhgdd »

fx0x309 wrote: post #196
OtherShrezzing wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s good at doing stuff like “host this all in Docker. Make a Postgres database with a Users table. Make a FastAPI CRUD endpoint for Users. Make a React site with a homepage, login page, and user dashboard”. It’ll successfully produce _something_ like that, because there’s millions of examples of those technologies online. If you do anything remotely niche, you need to hold its hand far more. The more complicated yo…

In other words, the vibe coders of this world are just redundant noobs who don't really belong on the marketplace. They've written the same bullshit CRUD app every month for the past couple of years and now they've turned to AI to speed things up

Last week I asked Claude to improve a piece of code that downloads all AWS RDS certificates to just the ones needed for that AWS region. It figured out several ways to determine the correct region, made a nice tradeoff and suggested the most reliable way. It rewrote the logic to download the right set, did some research to figure out the right endpoint in between. It only made one mistake, it fallback mechanism was picking EU, which was not correct. Maybe 1 hour of work. On my own it would have taken me close to a working day to figure it all out.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by LinuxAmbulance »

fx0x309 wrote: post #196
OtherShrezzing wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s good at doing stuff like “host this all in Docker. Make a Postgres database with a Users table. Make a FastAPI CRUD endpoint for Users. Make a React site with a homepage, login page, and user dashboard”. It’ll successfully produce _something_ like that, because there’s millions of examples of those technologies online. If you do anything remotely niche, you need to hold its hand far more. The more complicated yo…

In other words, the vibe coders of this world are just redundant noobs who don't really belong on the marketplace. They've written the same bullshit CRUD app every month for the past couple of years and now they've turned to AI to speed things up

I think the majority of coders out there write the same CRUD app over and over again in different flavors. That's what the majority of businesses seem to pay for.

If a business needs the equivalent of a Toyota Corolla, why be upset about the factory workers making the millionth Toyota Corolla?

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by alansammarone »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

There's a lot of people caricaturing the obvious fact that any model works best in distribution.

The more esoteric your stack, and the more complex the request, the more information it needs to have. The information can be given either through doing research separately (personally, I haven't had good results when asking Claude itself to do research, but I did have success using the web chat UI to create an implementation plan), or being more specific with your prompt.

As an aside, I have more than 10 years of experience, mostly with backend Python, and I'd have no idea what your prompts mean. I could probably figure it out after some google searches, tho. That's also true of Claude.

Here's an example of a prompt that I used recently when working on a new codebase. The code is not great, the math involved is non trivial (it's research-level code that's been productionized in hurry). This literally saved 4 hours of extremely boring work, digging through the code to find various hardcoded filenames, downloading them, scp'ing them, and using them to do what I want. It one-shotted it.

> The X pipeline is defined in @airflow/dags/x.py, and Y in `airflow/dags/y.py` and the relevant task is `compute_X`, and `compute_Y`, respectively. Your task is to:

> 1. Analyze the X and Y DAGs and and how `compute_X` functions are called in that particular context, including it's arguments. If we're missing any files (we're probably missing at least one), generate a .sh file with aws cli or curl commands necessary for downloading any missing data (I don't have access to S3 from this machine, but I do have in a remote host). Use, say, `~/home` as the remote target folder.

> 2. If we needed to download anything from S3, i.e. from the remote host, output rsync/scp commands I can use to copy them to my local folder, keeping the correct/expected directory structure. Note that direct inputs reside under `data/input`, while auxiliary data resides in other folders under `data`. Do not run them, simply output them. You can use for example `scp user@server.org ...`

> 3. Write another snapshot test for X under `tests/snapshot`, and one for Y. Use a pattern as similar as possible to the other tests there. Do not attempt to run the tests yet, since I'll need to download the data first.

> If you need any information from Airflow, such as logs or output values, just ask and I can provide them. Think hard.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by _puk »

LinuxAmbulance wrote: post #220
kennywinker wrote: post #212

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Off by about 33,999,998 users, but still a decent dunk. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/06/apple-now-has-ove...

34 million developers? That number doesn't even pass a basic sniff test. Are there 34 million people that have Xcode installed? That I can believe.

If my experience is anything to go by - a good proportion of this will be people accidentally double clicking a .md (or other random text suffix), and cursing whilst they wait for XCode to slowly load enough that they can quit it and open the file in a proper lightweight editor..

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by einrealist »

ygritte wrote: post #208
einrealist wrote: post #200

Its not shipping the model in Xcode. You are still sending your data off to a remote provider, hoping that this provider behaves nicely with all this data and that the government will never force the provider to reveal your data.

They are already forcing OpenAI to keep all logs. Go figure.

And people talk to GPT about very private things, using it as a shrink. What can go wrong.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by VMG »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

> It configured also non-existent drivers, and for some reason it enabled monkey test support (but not test support).

If it doesn't have the underlying base data, it tends to hallucinates. (It's getting a bit difficult to tell when it has underlying data, because some models autonomously search the web). The models are good at transforming data however, so give it access to whatever data it needs.

Also let it work in a feedback loop: tell it to compile and fix the compile errors. You have to monitor it because it will sometimes just silence warnings and use invalid casts.

> What am I doing wrong? Or is this really the state of the art?

It may sound silly, but it's simply not good at 2D

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by khafra »

troupo wrote: post #201
khafra wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://openai.com/index/prover-verifier-games-improve-legib... OpenAI has been doing verifier-guided training since last year. No SOTA model was trained without verified reward training for math and programming.

Your claim: "by reading the docs, and by autogenerating code samples and testing them against verifiers, and by paying a lot of people to write sample code for sample questions." Your link: "Grade school math problems from a hardcoded dataset with hardcoded answers" [1] It really is the same thing. [1] https://openai.com/index/solving-math-word-problems/ --- start quote --- GSM8K consists of 8.5K high quality grade s…

My two claims:

1. OpenAI has been doing verifier-guided training since last year.

2. No SOTA model was trained without verified reward training for math and programming.

I supported the first claim with a document describing what OpenAI was doing last year; the extrapolation should have been straightforward, but it's easy for people who aren't tracking AI progress to underestimate the rate at which it occurs. So, here's some support for my second claim:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.06920 https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.11425 https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.06807

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by simonh »

brigandish wrote: post #105
simonh wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not baked in, in that sense. You still have to enable it in XCode and link it to a Claude account. It’s basically the same.

At the level of "Having to configure something to use it", they're the same, but then that's the same as the hundreds of other config options then. I think we can be slightly more precise than that. In Neovim the choice of language server and the choice of LLM is up to the user, (possibly even the choice of this API, I believe, having only skimmed the PR) while both of those choices are baked in to XCode, so they're…

That's fair enough, but it's the opposite complaint, that XCode's LLM support is more limited because it is proprietary. That's a perfectly valid and reasonable objection, of course.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by lalo2302 »

baby wrote: post #82
breadwinner wrote: post #42

It seems every IDE now has AI built-in. That's a problem if you're working on highly confidential code. You never know when the AI is going to upload code snippets to the server for analysis.

Not trying to be mean but I would expect comments on HN on these kind of stories to be from people who have used AI in IDEs at this point. There is no AI integration that runs automatically on a codebase.

Gitkraken does

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

OtherShrezzing wrote: post #179
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

It’s good at doing stuff like “host this all in Docker. Make a Postgres database with a Users table. Make a FastAPI CRUD endpoint for Users. Make a React site with a homepage, login page, and user dashboard”. It’ll successfully produce _something_ like that, because there’s millions of examples of those technologies online. If you do anything remotely niche, you need to hold its hand far more. The more complicated yo…

I agree, but I think there's an important distinction to be made.

In some cases, it just doesn't have the necessary information because the problem is too niche.

In other cases, it does have all the necessary information but fails to connect the dots, i.e. reasoning fails.

It is the latter issue that is affecting all LLMs to such a degree that I'm really becoming very sceptical of the current generation of LLMs for tasks that require reasoning.

They are still incredibly useful of course, but those reasoning claims are just false. There are no reasoning models.

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