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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

I'm very happy to see Framework lead the USB power delivery pack by supporting 240W, 48V/5A charging on the Framework 16. As the first company to ship laptops using this spec, what problems or quirks, if any, have you seen from 48V charging in the field?

Since we designed both the power adapter and the product that is using it, it just works. There aren't a lot of other devices that support 240W USB-C for us to test against.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…

I like the framework and I like Fedora KDE. However the battery life, thanks to AMD and Intel, is horrible in comparison.

I can easily do 10-12 hours on my M4 MBP. My framework AMD 13 can do maybe half that if I have it on power save mode and I don't do anything heavy.

The keyboard is good, speakers are meh, track pad is not as good as Mac. Form factor is good.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #140

Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…

I have an M2 Max MBP for work and a Framework 16 for home.

Build quality of the MBP is better. The machine feels more solid. The battery life is better, although to be fair, I run Linux on the Framework so the hardware itself isn't the only difference.

The Framework 16 wins hands-down when it comes to ports, one of my biggest pain points with any Apple laptop in the last 10 years. It has six of them and I can mostly arrange them according to my needs. In the rare cases where I plug it into an external monitor, I swap out one of the USB ports for an HDMI port. If I'm using more older devices than normal, I replace the USB-C ports with USB-A ports. I say "mostly" here because not all ports work in all positions.

The repairability and openness of the Framework laptop were the big draws for me and it delivered well on both counts. I'm happy with it.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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You knew the question was coming. ThinkPad style trackpoint keyboard!

I used to like those but they started giving me rsi

Yeah, nowadays the trackpoint is just a bad pointing device. As laptops get slimmer, trackpoints get less precise and less usable. And they hurt our wrists.

We just have to let go. A haptic trackpad is miles better now.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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My experience with all these high-powered laptops is that they overheat and throttle when under load. I prefer the low-wattage CPUs and intel graphics: they don't overheat and the battery lasts much longer.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

I (pre) ordered one. I'd be so excited if the haptic super-wide touchpad made an appearance, even if in some limited form.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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+1 on this... I keep saying, I wish that System76 could work with Framework to sell a model with PopOS preinstalled and supported by System76. I'd pay an extra $200 just for that, not that everyone would be willing to pay extra since Framework is already at a bit of a price premium. Most other Linux vendors (Tuxedo, Slimbook, etc) seem to be mostly EU centered and based, which is a bit of a negative if you're in the…

I don't think Linux users would pay for it. It would pretty much be a loss (support isna form of insurance--you have a pool of covered users, and they need not in aggregate cost more than the company takes in). And System76 needs to also change the firmware to support Linux (is why buying the Clevo model they co-designed and throwing Linux on it won't work like you hope.) Plus, I suspect System76 would want to have a…

It does feel like a collab would make sense. They are going after fairly similar markets.
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