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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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The people in charge are largely hated by the electorate. They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.) Unless by "democracy" you mean "sleepwalking administration everyone hates" the current UK government is unus…
Tell me about this "quirk" and winning by "default" (and how this never applied to other recent elections).
It was a win under the rules but a memorably shallow one. Labour won a big majority of seats in 2024 on fewer votes (grand total) than when they lost handsomely in 2019.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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Tell me about this "quirk" and winning by "default" (and how this never applied to other recent elections).
Less than 30% of the electorate voted labour. The problem is that the opposing party consistently ran as opposition but then executed on labour's policies instead so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for. The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies, they effectively weren't given a choice. To call that democracy delegtimizes democratic elections.
That's how our representative democracy works though. Even if just one person votes in each constituency.
I say that those who didn't vote knew it was a foregone conclusion and would have voted in the same proportion as those who did vote.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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It stopped being relevant because its content became acceptable on major social networks, beginning in late 2022.
Major social networks aren't even remotely close to being in the same niche. There are no algorithms, no friction with accounts, no obtrusive interfaces or feature bloat, no likes, no post ratings, content is completely ephemeral. This is a common and fundamental misunderstanding I see people make when trying to understand why 4chan exists. The people who post on 4chan aren't doing it because they can't help but post…
Most people in websites like HN have absolutely no idea what 4chan is, how it works, and what kind of things people post in there. It shows because every time you read a comment here about 4chan you are confused as to what website they may be talking about.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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I don't see how that is a more useful model than what I said. Maybe for rallying people to oppose the current problems. But it feels like such preaching to the choir mainly serves to exacerbate the "culture war" that helps shut off people's thinking to begin with. So pushing that way might help win the immediate battle, but it also helps lose the overall war.
i don't think it contributes to the culture war to recognize that most people are not truly engaged in a collective sense, and that we are trapped within a self-reproducing system that relies on that: "...the autocratic reign of the market economy which had acceded to an irresponsible sovereignty, and the totality of new techniques of government which accompanied this reign." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectacle_(…
That may be where you are coming from, but your original comment didn't contain anything beyond a simple smack down that is too-easily interpreted in a partisan manner.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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Less than 30% of the electorate voted labour. The problem is that the opposing party consistently ran as opposition but then executed on labour's policies instead so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for. The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies, they effectively weren't given a choice. To call that democracy delegtimizes democratic elections.
Everyone also had the choice to vote Green or Liberal Democrat. I believe both promise electoral reform.
They can promise whatever they like knowing there's very little chance they will be put to the test.
The last time the Lib Dems got a taste of power in 2010 it was by going into coalition with the Tories at the cost of dumping key election pledges. Next election they were dumped by the public and their leader Nick Clegg was hired by Meta - presumably for his connections as he has no particular talent to sell.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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Chain of events is the lobbyists write the policies that are handed to the politicians who vote them in, then to the bureaucrats to execute them. But the lobbyists work for the rich and the power. They are ultimately the chefs and ones who decide what the rules will be.
You are correct. But I don't see how we can fix this. Revolutions or rioting, is not the right idea either. A successful and well functioning democracy requires constant monitoring, involvement and pressure from citizens to hold it accountable, otherwise it gets captured by monopolies and malicious actors with money, who will steer politics in their favor instead of the citizens' favor. The problem with that is that…
Democracies can and do correct. It takes time and effort, but it happens. For example the progressive movement in the US.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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If that's true you should be able to see that in the public traffic statistics.
I thought about that as well. This would be true if team-hiromoot is not cooperating with the bot owners, otherwise the bots could simply be excluded given all their traffic is authenticated with a 4chan pass. Other chans have manipulated their stats to change how active they appear so it's really hard for me to rely upon that.
There are non affiliated stat trackers like 4stats.io or any of the archive sites. It's pure nonsense/conspiracy theory to suggest everything is bot content now.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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75%? Are you being generous because it's weekend?
Agreed--if the concern is data breaches, we can just ban 100% of databases, even those offline. If it's outdated tech stacks, I'm sometimes in favor of those. Move fast and break things isn't always the best.
That's not an outdated stack - just a stable one.
An outdated stack is a not-up-to-date version of Wordpress I foolishly set up because it was the last one compatible with a certain plugin used by a client on their website that I was recreating from the Wayback Machine.
The domain was put on a black list of dangerous sites (rightfully so, considering that the bot that hacked into it replaced the site with spam).