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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by failiaf »

tiffanyh wrote: post #191

With so many new AI editors popping up, it feels like the Zed team is in a tough “lose/lose” spot. If they stick to their current path—focusing on craftsmanship and letting their world-class talent build the best editor—they risk falling behind giants like Cursor. Cursor seemingly came out of nowhere and is already doing $300–400M annually, rivaling JetBrains (who took 20 years to get there) in just two years. With t…

this is where the advances in collaboration come in; it's a way out for them because existing editors are largely stuck with git and are patching ai on top of everything.

zed came at the incredibly (un?)fortunate timing where they were just able to build a solid base before the editor wars began. their only path now is to fully maximize the few advantages they do have:

* a fresh base that is far more flexible

* really good experience with performance, design, general craftmanship

* a buzzy community and fresh/boldness that attracts vcs

for zed to truly win (at least in sequioa's eyes) they will need to completely take over vscode as the new default, and that will require a big lead when it comes to collaboration and ai

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by TranquilMarmot »

I wanted to try out Zed. It looked fine on my laptop screen but as soon as I tried it on a 1440p monitor, the font and icon rendering fall completely flat and are a blurry mess. If your product is a text editor focused on code, your font rendering better be *top of class*.

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/7992

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by trenchpilgrim »

rtfeldman wrote: post #36
parentheses wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note to Zed: I prefer paid products to enshittened ones. Please please please, get paid rather than holding on too tightly to making things free forcing future enshittening.

We're working on it! :) You can pay for Zed today if you'd like - https://zed.dev/pricing - and also the editor itself is open-source under the GPLv3 license. So if at any point in the future Zed changes direction in a way you don't like, you are perpetually free to build the version you liked from source (or make a community fork and take it in a different direction).

I can't pay for Zed Pro using my work funds because it's an unapproved AI service. Can you provide another way to pay? E.g. cross device settings sync or professional support.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by TiredOfLife »

keyle wrote: post #201
airesQ wrote: post #106

Is IntelliJ "bad"? Aren't the reactions here overly negative? This means the company is funded, development will continue, zed will continue to improve. An IntelliJ style license (for example) is an acceptable trade-off from my point-of-view

IntelliJ lost the plot at the inception of CLion etc. I was a customer for so many years. "One IDE to rule them all" and then they started cashing on more. Progress was down to a crawl, performance down the shitter and bug reports go unnoticed for 2+ years. VSCode poops on IntelliJ these days for everything but the UX; but with enough modding, it can be very close.

>IntelliJ lost the plot at the inception of CLion etc. I was a customer for so many years. "One IDE to rule them all" and then they started cashing on more.

What are you talking about?

ReSharper came out 21 years ago 3 years after Intellij. RubyMine came out 15 years ago. 7 years before CLion.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by rustystump »

pvtmert wrote: post #140
rustystump wrote: post #123

While i am sure this sounds insane i had to drop zed due to lack of the “last file dif” button gitlens vscode plugin provides. It is a godsend on quickly debugging the why of things. If anyone knows how to replicate the same functionality with the same number of clicks in zed, id happily switch back to it.

i use the gutter markers, where a click shows the chunk-diff. there is also inline-blame, both are native (ie. no plugins required)

Nice. I dont like the gutters taking up space. I like the ux of click, see dif of last change, click see the next last change.

It seems such a silly thing but it made me not use zed at least until vscode eats all my ram again.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by alexchantavy »

aranelsurion wrote: post #125
toastercat wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sublime Text solved this 17 years ago with the 40-year-old shareware model. It's also faster than Zed, works on Linux/Win/MacOS, and is decently customizable.

There was a time around ST2 when it felt like everyone was using it and it could've become The Editor, then something happened and it's been left in the dust. I wasn't even aware but apparently even fourth version of ST was released, and that was in 2021. I lost track of what happened there (moved to Vim back then), was it VSCode that killed it?

I love ST and don't get why it stopped taking off. VSCode is way too heavyweight for just editing text and TextEdit is more like WordPad on Windows than Notepad.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by seivan »

827a wrote: post #209

Tbh: I think git is not the century-tool that a lot of people think it is, and we're in an era now where its decreasingly serving the needs of its users. I'm ready for deeper ground-up innovation in the space of code collaboration. Developers don't think in terms of commits; they think in terms of Tickets and PRs. Git doesn't have any native representation of either of these things. Getting tickets into the repositor…

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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by TheRoque »

aranelsurion wrote: post #125
toastercat wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sublime Text solved this 17 years ago with the 40-year-old shareware model. It's also faster than Zed, works on Linux/Win/MacOS, and is decently customizable.

There was a time around ST2 when it felt like everyone was using it and it could've become The Editor, then something happened and it's been left in the dust. I wasn't even aware but apparently even fourth version of ST was released, and that was in 2021. I lost track of what happened there (moved to Vim back then), was it VSCode that killed it?

Personally at that time (circa 2013 I think) I wasn't using it because it lacked integrated features like debugger or good autocomplete. I was using a specific editor, but one editor per language (java = eclipse, C++ = QTCreator, C = geany). I feel like there wasn't a true "one size fits all" editor (except maybe Vim, but it felt so... unfriendly?). Also, I'm not sure it was available on Linux (don't quote me on that)

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by shawabawa3 »

jonas21 wrote: post #220
toastercat wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, as others already mentioned, I think they sat on their laurels for a bit too long and let VSCode overtake it. For what it's worth, I went from ST3 -> VSCode -> ST4, and have been happy since. I've found that I prefer my text editor with minimal extensions, and with Sublime Text's LSP Plugin, I'm pretty content. The performance and customizable UI make it more worth it to me than VSCode.

I think it's less that they sat on their laurels and more that a team of 2 had trouble keeping up with the dozens of well-paid folks working on VSCode. Which suggests that perhaps a shareware model did not work out so well for them.

They literally stopped developing for about 5 years, it wasn't just about the team not keeping up
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