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AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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They used the word in an irregular way. They meant a decline in software company revenue, not an economic recession. You might well see more software profits if costs go down but less revenue. Depends on Jevon's paradox really

No this doesn’t make sense either. Why would Amazon‘s profits go down if their engineers are cheaper?

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Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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post #78

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Except AI support agents are only using content that is already available in support knowledge bases, making the entire exercise futile and redundant. But sure, they're eloquent while wasting your time.

AI has all sorts of technical knowledge, plus massive working memory, and high IQ-ish. It's vastly, vastly superior to most IT support agents.

True, partially, but it's also vastly inferior to most IT support agents at the same time.

I love a good AI to help search through large documentation basis for the particular issue I'm experiencing. But it is clear when the problem I am having is outside of the AI's sometimes infantile ability to understand, and I need the ability to bypass it.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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The actual report (which this article doesn't link to; bad Axios): https://nanda.media.mit.edu/ai_report_2025.pdf

And that report has this to say: "Our analysis reveals that GenAI-driven workforce reductions concentrate in functions historically treated as non-core business activities: customer support operations, administrative processing, and standardized development tasks. These roles exhibited vulnerability prior to AI implementation due to their outsourced status and process standardization. Executives were hesitant to reveal the scope of layoffs due to AI but it was between 5-20% of customer support operations and administrative processing work in these companies."

They interviewed 52 people, and some of them said yes to "Have you reduced headcount due to GenAI?" - which may indicate that those people believe this to be true.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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Do you think you could do a better job than a CEO of public company [x] from a technical standpoint - in other words, omitting the connections and public-facing charisma that they typically bring as part of the package? I genuinely do, but kind of paradoxically also suspect I'm wrong. It's simply that it's something so far outside my domain that I just can't really appreciate their skills honed over many years of pra…

I think there is confusion because coding is easy, software engineering is hard.

Coding was never the hardest problem. And it is hard to say why people are taking so long to realise it

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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post #152

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I have tried to digest why this is done. It is not because they believe they are 10x faster. It is because they think it will 10x their chances of getting a really good engineer for 1/10th as cheap. At least that is my theory. maybe i am wrong. i try to be charitable.

No engineer is smart and overall capable enough to be called a 10x one and yet doesn't realize their price in western value. And we still talk about corporate cogs, the truly brilliant simply start their own gigs

I never knew a single 10x. I know lots of them who say they are 10x though, but my parrot does a better job then most of them

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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post #213

AI is already so much better than 99% of customer support employees. It also improves brand reputation by actually paying attention to what customers are saying and responding in a timely manner, with expert-level knowledge, unlike typical customer service reps. I've used LLMs to help me fix Windows issues using pretty advanced methods, that MS employees would have just told me to either re-install Windows or send th…

As someone who was recently screwed over by LLM CSR, I'd respectfully disagree. Amazon replaced their offshore humans with LLMs recently. They put the "subscribe to Prime" button on the right-hand side of the screen when you go to checkout. It's a one-click subscription. I accidentally clicked it a few days ago. I immediately hop on customer service chat to ask for a refund. I was surprised to be talking to an LLM ra…

This occurrence has nothing to do with AI? The reason AI doesn't want to grant you the refund is because it's not been given the ability to do so. It would be no different with a human.

If Amazon wanted to give you the ability to get a refund for unused Prime benefits, it would allow the AI to do it, or even give you a button to do it yourself.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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post #213

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As someone who was recently screwed over by LLM CSR, I'd respectfully disagree. Amazon replaced their offshore humans with LLMs recently. They put the "subscribe to Prime" button on the right-hand side of the screen when you go to checkout. It's a one-click subscription. I accidentally clicked it a few days ago. I immediately hop on customer service chat to ask for a refund. I was surprised to be talking to an LLM ra…

This occurrence has nothing to do with AI? The reason AI doesn't want to grant you the refund is because it's not been given the ability to do so. It would be no different with a human. If Amazon wanted to give you the ability to get a refund for unused Prime benefits, it would allow the AI to do it, or even give you a button to do it yourself.

I can't really argue this except to say trust me, bro, I've been an Amazon customer for over 20 years, and there has never been an issue, no matter how unusual, the CSR was not able to resolve inside about five minutes. The LLM was completely on rails with only specific whitelisted actions available to it. Even if a human couldn't do the specific action, they could explain why instead of word-for-word repeating an irrelevant part of their script.

They don't trust the LLM so they cripple what it can do, would be the generous interpretation. I actually think they're intentionally crippling the LLMs' access to accounts, though, to reduce their spend not on CSRs, but on CSR actions for, for example, refunds, where the LLM becomes an excuse for the change; they can hide behind what they'll call technical issues or teething pains.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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post #215

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You're going to browse through a manual every time you need to fix something in some app in some particular OS version? I want: > Respond with terminal command to do X >> `complex terminal command code block` > oh we need to run that on all such and such files >> script.py

> You're going to browse through a manual every time you need to fix something in some app in some particular OS version? Yes, that's literally how you learn things. I can't understand how anyone on this forum thinks otherwise. Hackers are supposed to be people who thrive in unknown contexts, who thirst for knowledge of how things work. What you are suggesting is brain atrophy. It's the death of knowledge for profit…

My cognitive energies are reserved for other things. This is the point of AI: do boring tasks so humans can spend their energy on loftier/more important things.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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post #122

AI is already so much better than 99% of customer support employees. It also improves brand reputation by actually paying attention to what customers are saying and responding in a timely manner, with expert-level knowledge, unlike typical customer service reps. I've used LLMs to help me fix Windows issues using pretty advanced methods, that MS employees would have just told me to either re-install Windows or send th…

Improves brand reputation? I don't think I've seen a single case where someone is glad to talk to an LLM/chat bot instead of an actual person. Personally, I think less of any company that uses them. I've never seen one be actually useful, and they seem to only really regurgitate links to FAQ pages or give the most generic answers possible while I fight to get a customer service number so I can actually solve the prob…

I use SOTA LLM chatbots to solve issues that would take a long time via human customer service reps. In fact, LLMs solve things quicker than it takes to get a human on the phone/chat/forum response.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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post #129

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I don't want AI customer support. I want open documentation so I can ask AI if I want or ask human support if it's not resolvable with available documentation All my interactions with any AI support so far is repeatedly saying "call human" until it calls human

This is such a HN comment lol. Customer support is when all the documentation already failed and you need a human.

I'll put in a good word for a chatbot hooked up to the documentation (e.g. at $dayjob we use Intercom Fin) acting as level 0.5 support.

At $dayjob our customers are nontechnical so they don't always know what to search for, so the LLM/RAG approach can be quite handy.

It answers about 2/3 of incoming questions, can escalate to the humans as needed, and scales great.

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