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Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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post #28

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It's not ease, it's efficiency: opening a locked car door is 1-2 minutes for an experienced person. Smashing the window is 2 seconds (though you also need some experience, as modern car side windows are also laminated).

opening a locked car door is 1-2 minutes for an experienced person Look up LockPickingLawyer on YouTube. Less than a minute with the right tool.

You don't need his level of skill to open a car door (you attack the latching mechanism, not the barrel itself).

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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post #76

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It doesn't matter. If a customer buys faulty hardware, it's the seller's responsibility to replace it with working hardware. If the breaks had a manufacturing defect, you wouldn't expect the customer to pay for the replacement.

There is nothing faulty in the hardware, why they should replace it? Following the same logic: old phones, even iphones can be hacked. Should manufacturers replace the hardware?

Yes. If you remember, the exploding Samsung Galaxy Note was recalled globally.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter. If a customer buys faulty hardware, it's the seller's responsibility to replace it with working hardware. If the breaks had a manufacturing defect, you wouldn't expect the customer to pay for the replacement.

I've been holding my breath ever since spectre/meltdown for a free cpu upgrade to make up for the slower performance that the mitigations cause. It's intel's bug, they promised a certain processor speed, shouldn't it be their responsibility to replace it since their own security oversight resulted in the hardware not working as advertised? Did you expect the same from intel/amd when those bugs came out? Is it differe…

They patched the issue, didn't they? Here we are talking about hardware issue that can cause physical harm to people, companies must eat that cost. Same way Samsung did by recalling exploding Galaxy Note a few years ago

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

#224
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not ease, it's efficiency: opening a locked car door is 1-2 minutes for an experienced person. Smashing the window is 2 seconds (though you also need some experience, as modern car side windows are also laminated).

opening a locked car door is 1-2 minutes for an experienced person Look up LockPickingLawyer on YouTube. Less than a minute with the right tool.

This video has some great footage of typical modern break-ins:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iWWWyG5ZwG8

The lockpicking lawyer’s skillset is not what’s required for that task. 30 seconds would be an eternity for a typical thief to just be able to open a car door. Most of these thieves take maybe 15 seconds from approach to escape. Stealing a whole car is a little bit different but nobody is going to sit there with their adrenaline pumping, wearing gloves, in the middle of the night trying to pick a car door lock that won’t even disable the alarm.

Re: Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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post #211

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Do you mean the button on the door handler or the button on the key fob? The former is their keyless entry and is vulnerable to attack. I was under the impression all Ioniq 5s had this feature, but obviously I defer to your experience.

Button on the door handle? I only know about the button on the key fob.

It looks like the 2023 model has keyless entry with a smartphone, I guess it was new at that point. (and it doesn't seem to involve a button on the handle either!)
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