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Post by nunez »

fusslo wrote: post #110
ponector wrote: post #42

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There are many examples of buggy and vuln-ridden non-AI-hallucinated software. Never been a rush to fix them.

I've been thinking about this lately. While we engineers understand how to judge and evaluate AI solutions, I am not sure Business Owners (BO) care. BO's are ok with a certain percentage of bugs/rework/inefficiency/instability. And the tradeoff of eliminating (or marginalizing) Engineering may be worth the increased percentage of unfavorable outcomes.

Precisely. Businesses are okay with bugs if it helps them enter a market faster or stave off competition. Bug fixes are mostly considered maintainancd which is outsourced or "cost-optimized"

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Post by joquarky »

evklein wrote: post #118
sauwan wrote: post #114

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Presumably, AI has advanced in 10 years?

Do you believe there's a threshold to how good this stuff can get, or do you think it's all infinite upside?

A materialist could logically conclude that it still has some way to go.

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Post by joquarky »

more_corn wrote: post #194
xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #102

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The rate at which AI is capable of producing code is intractable for humans to deal with. Right now the bottleneck is human reviewers. If AI ever becomes effective at generating provably correct code, it's joever.

The good news is there are several thousand newly unemployed software engineers on the market…

It's also likely that there are thousands who aren't hustle-culture oriented who have been looking for so long that they don't even count as unemployed anymore.

Or maybe I'm just projecting.

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Post by ethics13 »

AstroBen wrote: post #205
righthand wrote: post #198

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> How is investing in something that improves my productivity and output quality a downward career slope? > I'm not sure how long we'll need someone in the middle to actually review the code You don’t think relying on a system you yourself are predicting will replace you isn’t investing in a downward slope. Wait until you find out Llms are helping suppress your wages. > this is on them for being lazy. Just like you g…

Not using LLMs doesn't make them go away. Whether they suppress wages or replace anyone is completely out of my control. Avoiding them just means I'd be producing below my potential > you became lazy about writing code I haven't, though. I still do the same amount of work except now I get more done. Now more of my energy goes into architecture, testing, specs, making sure it's built well instead of the lower level wi…

>I haven't, though. I still do the same amount of work except now I get more done.

And the expectations will exceed you getting more done. You don't think your employer will try and squeeze even more out of you because of AI?

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Post by JKCalhoun »

edoceo wrote: post #64
JKCalhoun wrote: post #20

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I've never been a fan of UBI (and I'm often downvoted for that, ha ha). I like the idea of mandating an 18 hour work week or similar though. It still keeps the incentive to work — still rewards those who want to achieve more. One wonders though what impact that will have on society — so much additional free time. More television binging? I hope not.

Why do folk "need" to work? To justify their existence? Don't we have a duty of care for fellow humans?

I am not seeing how the two are mutually exclusive.

I think there needs to be a pretty fundamental shift in society for us to continue to function if, for example, everyone was essentially on welfare. Not sure what they are supposed to all be doing in the "Star Trek universe" for example. Somehow "Logan's Run" comes to mind — you know, if we actually still got together with each other. ;-)

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Post by 9999px »

mongol wrote: post #30
9999px wrote: post #3

Interesting that the author doesn't mention a reduction in working hours as a solution because I see that as THE solution. Federally mandate an 18 hour work week and job demand will soar. It's just as fanciful a thought as his other suggestions given how little power we have over the federal government to exercise our will.

That change and everything else being equal means much less pay for workers. It is no golden bullet

Wages didn't drop when going from the 12 to 10 to 8 hour working day. With adequate political power wielded by labor – hypothetical in the context of the article – there's no reason to suspect that wages would go down with further reductions in the working day.

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Post by AstroBen »

ethics13 wrote: post #226
AstroBen wrote: post #205

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Not using LLMs doesn't make them go away. Whether they suppress wages or replace anyone is completely out of my control. Avoiding them just means I'd be producing below my potential > you became lazy about writing code I haven't, though. I still do the same amount of work except now I get more done. Now more of my energy goes into architecture, testing, specs, making sure it's built well instead of the lower level wi…

>I haven't, though. I still do the same amount of work except now I get more done. And the expectations will exceed you getting more done. You don't think your employer will try and squeeze even more out of you because of AI?

I'd rather be unemployed than work for someone like that

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Post by snapplebobapple »

mholt wrote: post #23

Don't worry -- soon after that, there will be high demand for human coders as companies scramble to hire to rewrite all the buggy and vuln-ridden AI-hallucinated software. We're on the verge of two revolutions in tech, not one.

nah, just throw more hardware at it. never rewrite buggy code, increase processing power is the winner almost always. That's one of the things that is nice about opensource. You can't hide the crap code unless the users don't care at all.
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