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Thiel doesn't want to replace voting with sortition. He wants to replace voting with high tech feudalism.
Palantir is extending its reach even further into government
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#222Pretty sure it's just the beginning. Palantir Will be the dystopian super company you see in sci-fi movies
Do you even know what Palantir actually do? Because I see so many people talking about Palantir, but it seems apparent they've no idea what the business does, or sells, or how it even makes money except "through the government". Like...they're a software firm. They specialize in government contracting. They sell software to the government, to fulfill tenders and requests asked for by the government (which is its own…
Yes, and a contract killer only fulfills tenders and requests asked for by their clients. We still call it murder, though.
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BAH was the “bad guy” in the sense that they were grifters competent at only winning contracts and then extending them indefinitely through incompetent delivery to suck as much money out of the government as possible at the expense of having good systems and taxpayer money. Palantir is good at delivering what they promise.
> Palantir is good at delivering what they promise. What's their promise?
Turnkey Panopticon.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're blowing up because they've got allies in government right now steering them contracts, which is par for the course for big government contracting. Elections are to a certain extent a contest between different camps to swing at the Piñata of Federal funding, with the winner taking the current batch of candy. I kinda think Palantir is GenZ TRW, or at least the data analytics sections of TRW that did things like…
> because they've got allies in government right now steering them contracts Is that because palantir takes them out for golf outings and steaks? Or is it because palantir promises certain results and outcomes to them once the product is in place? > There's a ton of conspiracy theories about them because their founders are tech-right ideologues. Yea, it's just the ideology of their founders, it has _nothing_ to do wi…
My intent was to express skepticism about the idea that Palantir alone is anything other than a contractor behaving like a contractor. They’ll bid on anything and so will any other contractor. I get skeptical when something like that is held up as a big bogey man. I think it’s a distraction.
The real issue is that people voted for this. All of it.
Anyone who voted for Trump after J6 knew what they were getting. All the people with buyers remorse about Trump make me think of this parable:
https://www.northerncherokeenation.com/boy-and-the-rattlesna...
“You knew what I was when you picked me up.”
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I am sorry but these look like very basic ETL/UI Dashboard tools. Is this all they got?
I would love to know an alternative to that superbly integrated stack . [be aware that none of those tools require coding knowledge, nor any DB administration, nor scalability consideration. But for me the most important part is that the data workflow is not dataFrame driven, but semantic entity/relationship driven. Think of that as if you had an ORM magically wrapping your Spark cluster, and make it look like a grap…
> be aware that none of those tools require coding knowledge, nor any DB administration, nor scalability consideration.
These are slogans with marketing grade truth, not engineering truth. The moment you leave the happy path wizards you run straight into Python, SQL, JVM knobs, and cluster limits. The visual Pipeline Builder drops you into a Code node the second you need anything beyond basic joins/filters. Here is an example: https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/code-workbook/getting-...
>> nor scalability consideration. Foundry Spark jobs expose tunable variables, you are expected to tweak them for performance and cost: https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/optimizing-pipelines/s...
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#226We received a presentation/demo of their products when I worked in the gov (not the US gov. though) a couple of years ago. They seemed, okay? I mean nothing seemed mind-blowing. I worked on surveillance in a specific sector, where interagency collaboration is important. Hence why Palantir pitched their tools. I'm not sure how they've managed to blow up like that. Do they have some extensive network with gov. official…
Why would their pitch to prospective targets reflect their corporate aims?
Do facebook or google do this to their users?
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They didn't ask you to define racism. They asked you to find sources for your claim, which you have conspicuously forgotten to include. It's a public source too, so it doesn't cost you anything to support your claim. Are you recalling something that actually exists, or trying to warp the narrative into whatever supports your perception?
> They didn't ask you to define racism They raised the definition of racism by preemptively asserted that articles leveling “legitimate” accusations of racism wouldn’t count. For example, here’s an article trying to tie Trump’s growing support among minorities to “multiracial whiteness” and minorities “embrac[ing] white power movements.” From where I’m standing that sure seems like calling minority supporters of Trum…
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>Sending someone to a concentration camp doesn’t become justified when the destination is a foreign country. If illegal immigrants were to voluntarily deport before becoming detained, could they avoid incarceration at CECOT? If the answer is "yes", then it seems their own actions/decisions cause this. Why then should I have sympathy for them? >But due process is violated even if there is a legal framework to justify…
People who aren’t trespassers or violating any law are punished and deported without a chance to make their case. You’re assuming that all people ICE sends to concentration camps deserve to be there? But these determinations have been made without fair hearings where people have a chance to formulate a defense. Due process is not afforded these people. Treating people this way is unjust.
>People who aren’t trespassers
They very much are trespassers. They're not citizens, therefor they have no legal right to be here. We issue visas, but we reserve the right to revoke those without notice or for that matter right to appeal. We're removing them from property that is not theirs.
Punishment would be additional to that, but perversely would require that they remain here for the punishment, so people like myself have no interest in it. It's enough that they leave.
>You’re assuming that all people ICE sends to concentration camps deserve to be there?
I don't know what you think the word "deserve" means that it is relevant. It does not matter where they deserve to be, they can't be here. It's our property, they're not welcome.
>But these determinations have been made without fair hearings
There need be no hearings at all. They are not citizens, they have no right to be here. None. You seem to think that some legal right is being revoked, which would necessitate courts... but they have no such legal right. No need for hearings.
>Due process is not afforded these people.
The only process due an illegal immigrant is checking to make sure they're not a citizen. If that process has been followed, no more process is due them. They are not criminals, they get no trial.
> Treating people this way is unjust.
Possibly. But I do not care, not even a little. It is our obligation to make a place for foreigners to live here. This isn't their country.
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That's the meme. It's not going to happen IRL because it doesn't look like China is rising to the bait, because Russia is still advancing in Ukraine, because American industrial production capacity is by every estimation not equal to the task, and because the Middle East is as bad a mess as it has ever been and is sucking all of the oxygen out of the room. When your Navy literally can't defeat the Houthis, you know f…
This is fundamentally wrong on many levels, including what a War is and why they happen. You actually need a balance of power to prevent an armed political conflict, so the adults in the room will maintain one.
Too cryptic. So what is war and why does it happen?
> "You actually need a balance of power"
Yeah, but it has to be credible. If it's not credible, or hinges on vague wunderwaffen or failed concepts, then it only exists if both sides swallow one side's propaganda. (Or unless nukes come into play, but then you get MAD game theory and it's unwise to open that can of worms unless necessary.)
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#230Palantir is aiding and abetting multiple instances of genocide and repression worldwide. Their entire upper leadership should be thrown in prison. Along with other holocaust tabulation machine companies such as Microsoft and Oracle.