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Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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how do you "take cash" over the Internet?

Steam sells physical gift cards. You can buy them at convenience stores, Walmart, etc. you can pay cash for them.

those stores would absolutely stop carrying the gift cards if customers could not pay with visa/mastercard for them.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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It was Mastercard's rule, but any one of the companies in the payment network could have brought it up to Valve. The whole system is set up so one transaction has to go through up to 6 different companies, and they all have to abide by each other's rules. The US Internet Preservation Society explained it recently: >Each of these companies maintains its own terms of service and each of them can block a transaction by…

> was Mastercard's rule, but any one of the companies in the payment network could have brought it up to Valve Did Mastercard threaten Valve? Or did Valve precomply?

Mastercard pressured their processors and the processors turned around and talked to Valve about it and cited Mastercard's rules. It wasn't pre-compliance, but there was a proxy that allows Mastercard to deflect responsibility.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Before getting all worked up, I would advise people to look at what games exactly were banned, and see if it’s a case of power abuse or simply a case of “we can all agree that rape and incest games are disgusting and have no place in an entertainment web site visited by kids”.

It doesn't matter because it is up to Steam what products they list to sell, not to MC/Visa.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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I'm glad the Mastercard-Visa duopoly is finally getting some attention, these companies shouldn't be allowed to exercise the financial control they do. Payment infrastructure is not a free market - you can't just choose to pay via some other processor if they turn you down, they ARE the processors. Therefore, they should be under intense scrutiny when they refuse.

There's no meaningful attention, here. Until it is on the US Gov't radar, this 'attention' is just a collection of upset redditors furiously posting forum messages which will fissile out in a few months, at most. Besides, it's not like you can boycott Mastercard or VISA.

It is on their radar, but they only care that the whole world pays a US tax via these payment providers. The US does look to kindly on local payment systems.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Click on the article link at the top of this page and find out. Let me quote the article for you: > In a statement provided to PC Gamer, Valve said that it had tried to work things out with Mastercard directly prior to removing the games, and suggested that Mastercard did have at least an indirect influence on the outcome. > "Mastercard did not communicate with Valve directly, despite our request to do so," a Valve r…

This text is also consistent with Valve making a determination, checking with payment processors and not being told no. (Versus the payment processors reaching out to Valve first.) Like yes, there is a problem with Mastercard. But I want to know this isn’t Valve having complied with some activists trying to cover their tracks.

If this is just evil old Valve, why did itch.io - a site founded on openness and the right to sell adult-only games, especially if they cover LGBT themes, tell everyone that their payment processors also want them not to offer adult-only games?

Which is more likely:

1. Porn-hating, sex-hating, LGBT-hating activist group from Australia bombards Mastercard with complaints that Valve and Itch are selling adult games. Mastercard reminds its payment processors not to bring shame on The Mark. Valve's and Itch's payment processors tell them not to sell adult games.

2. Porn-hating, sex-hating, LGBT-hating activist group from Australia bombards Mastercard with complaints that Valve and Itch are selling adult games. Valve and Itch agree with these harpies and remove their revenue streams and support for developers (because they hate revenue and hate supporting their developers; they'd much rather align with moral prudes from Australia in order to lose money and abandon the people who make them that money), then they sneakily pin the blame on Mastercard. Valve and Itch also use telepathy to know Collective Shout's desires, which they agree with, to ban games precisely at the time Collective Shout are calling up Mastercard, in order for it to be Collective Shout -> Valve/Itch rather than Collective Shout -> Mastercard -> Payment processors -> Valve/Itch

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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> "which will fissile out in a few months" A tangential nitpick: it's fizzle out , from a Middle English etymology meaning "to fart"; not to fission ( fissile being an adjectival form), from Latin "to split". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fizzle#Etymology ( "Attested in English since 1525-35. From earlier fysel (“to fart”). Related to fīsa (“to fart”). Compare with Swedish fisa (“to fart (silently)”). See also feist…

"to fission (fissile being an adjectival form), from Latin 'to split'." Does this mean "Missile" means "to miss"? 'Cause boy have we been using those things wrong :-)

The missile needs to know how to miss, because it knows where it is from knowing where it isn’t.

https://youtu.be/bZe5J8SVCYQ

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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> "which will fissile out in a few months" A tangential nitpick: it's fizzle out , from a Middle English etymology meaning "to fart"; not to fission ( fissile being an adjectival form), from Latin "to split". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fizzle#Etymology ( "Attested in English since 1525-35. From earlier fysel (“to fart”). Related to fīsa (“to fart”). Compare with Swedish fisa (“to fart (silently)”). See also feist…

"to fission (fissile being an adjectival form), from Latin 'to split'." Does this mean "Missile" means "to miss"? 'Cause boy have we been using those things wrong :-)

No, 'missile' means 'something that is sent' or 'suitable for throwing'

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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>Bewildering to see the outrage over this. Get real, cleaning up the smut is not an attack on free speech or democracy. Sure, religious fascists enjoy this now, next they will remove GTA and shooter games, metal music and Hip HOp and when some Rust fanboy extremist will complain C++ and PHP content will be removed for safety reasons. We need to complain so religious fascist content is removed too

> Rust fanboy extremist will complain C++ and PHP content will be removed for safety reasons. it'd probably be net improvement vs the current status quo.

>it'd probably be net improvement vs the current status quo.

That is small/quick/shallow thinking, first you need PHP/C++ content so new developers can learn how to maintain existing code , the Rust God is unable to instantly convert any code to Rust.

Secondly, maybe you hate PHP but then they will come after Python because it's stupid white space syntax shit, or after Linux and KDE because are C and C++ , then Java and C# because are not cool enough.

If the Rust extremists would spend their time and money on writing code and not post comments, blogs, podcasts etc there might be some non toy OS, browser, desktop environment, editor etc , but as with this other religion they are all big mouths and telling others what they should do since that is easy and the makes feel better about their work as trying to get new souls for their God to .

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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> "which will fissile out in a few months" A tangential nitpick: it's fizzle out , from a Middle English etymology meaning "to fart"; not to fission ( fissile being an adjectival form), from Latin "to split". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fizzle#Etymology ( "Attested in English since 1525-35. From earlier fysel (“to fart”). Related to fīsa (“to fart”). Compare with Swedish fisa (“to fart (silently)”). See also feist…

I’ve never heard fissile out but I love it for describing a problem that will go away once the full consequences have already been felt.

It's fizzle where I'm from in the UK. To fizzle out is to weakly and pittifully end with no meaningful after effects.

Like after lighting a firework that didn't actually go off.

"It's fizzled out!"

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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> it's not like you can boycott Mastercard or VISA In many countries, if you pay locally, you absolutely can. China's UnionPay, India's UPI, PayNow in Singapore, PromptPay in Thailand, PayPal, Cash App, and more.

And places like Steam take a lot of payment options. Most online services that wanted to have wide international appeal in the 90s and 2000s had to simply because credit cards were rare in many places, and a lot of those services still have a wide array of options

Steam added recently a rule 15th what you should not publish:

15. Content that may violate the rules and standards set forth by Steam’s payment processors and related card networks and banks, or internet network providers. In particular, certain kinds of adult only content.

See discussion here for example: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6019100814124...

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