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Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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UCLA has an endowment of 3.8bn$. Whilst I'm sympathetic to their desire to be further government financed for the work they do, I feel like government financing should be made available to those that actually need the money. The attitude that you have access to government funds even if you have the ability to pay yourself needs to change.

Endowments are not piles of money that they just sit on. Universities typically spend 4-5% of their endowment every year. The endowment is invested and managed to try and make that 4-5% a year spending sustainable indefinitely. If the policy was no government funding if you have an endowment the net result would be that endowments would be spent down, and then not only would they need government funding for the thing…

I don't think there's a problem with spending an endowment down, however university administrators do, and that's a emotional step they need to get over.

Agreed on restrictions and would be good to know how large the unrestricted part is.

Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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Funny thing is that UCLA is getting defunded because some people there were criticising a FOREIGN government.

Go work in German academia and criticize the FOREIGN government of Israel. I'm sure the German government will react with much more leniency than the US.

In this case, the analogy should be "Go work in German academia *where the students* criticize the FOREIGN government of Israel."

AFAICT, no German academic institutions have lost funding as a result of the student's protests. Those protests were stopped, police action etc., but no funding change to the academic institutions.

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There is nowhere to run and hide. Europe is worse than the US on this front. China also demands party loyalty. In a sense this is just the human condition. The ruling faction demands loyalty. Only a very advanced human civilization could move past that and allow criticism of the ruling class. Maybe the US had achieved that for a brief movement in the past or maybe it was just an illusion. EDIT: For people wondering w…

> why I think it's worse in Europe, it's because in Europe the ruling class and the universities are on the same side Sounds like a feature, not a bug. > And when I say Europe, I mean UK, France and Germany. Europe is much larger and more diverse than those three countries. Scandinavia for example consistently top the list in most well-being statistics.

> Sounds like a feature, not a bug.

In fairness, it can be either, and which it is depends if in the specific case it's more accurate to phrase it as "the ruling classes are on the side of the universities" (good) or as "the universities are on the side of the ruling class" (bad).

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The administration's stated reason is bias and anti-semitism, are you claiming that this is the definition of urban intellectual? If so how do you defend it? If not, how do you define it?

Why do we assume that the administration is acting in good faith when all evidence has shown otherwise?

They may not be acting in good faith but there is extremely clear evidence that UCLA has engaged in illegal racial hiring and admissions practices and has supported antisemitism on campus. UCLA chose to give them that ammunition.

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> And the commissioner was just sacked and the reason given was because she was incompetent The reason given was she purposefully changed the numbers to make Trump look bad. There was of course no evidence given for that.

The reason given [0] is that "A lengthy history of inaccuracies and incompetence by Erika McEntarfer, the former Biden-appointed Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, has completely eroded public trust in the government agency charged with disseminating key data used by policymakers and businesses to make consequential decisions. Under McEntarfer, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) consistently published…

No, that's the rationalizations some white house staffer wrote. The reasons Trump gave on Truth Social was that she purposefully changed the numbers to harm Trump.

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The reason given [0] is that "A lengthy history of inaccuracies and incompetence by Erika McEntarfer, the former Biden-appointed Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, has completely eroded public trust in the government agency charged with disseminating key data used by policymakers and businesses to make consequential decisions. Under McEntarfer, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) consistently published…

No, that's the rationalizations some white house staffer wrote. The reasons Trump gave on Truth Social was that she purposefully changed the numbers to harm Trump.

Then the staffer has made a pretty good argument and has managed to justify firing her. Stroke of luck for Trump that he made a reasonable and easily defended decision by total accident.

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Which president did anything like this anywhere close to that scale? You are getting confused by propaganda.

It was much less a one-man thing, i agree. Looking at the US debates from europe however, I have the feeling monolithic thinking was very much in place in academia on a wide range of topics (gender theory, climate change, israel support, vaccine mandate, etc). And not just academia if i look at zuckerberg's testimony over federal government censoring people arbitrarily on the platforms.

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Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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Why do we assume that the administration is acting in good faith when all evidence has shown otherwise?

They may not be acting in good faith but there is extremely clear evidence that UCLA has engaged in illegal racial hiring and admissions practices and has supported antisemitism on campus. UCLA chose to give them that ammunition.

> and has supported antisemitism on campus

You mean there were protests against genocide? Oops did I do an antisemitism by calling it a genocide?

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It is purely Orwellian. They gaslit everyone into thinking that opposing an intolerant theocracy in Israel, and by extension the burgeoning autocracy in the US, was antisemitism, while at the same time moaning about Jews controlling and ruining the US. This naked cynicism is disgusting.

Intolerant theocracy? And you’re using this phrase to refer to Israel?

State sponsor of genocide might be a more apt term, I agree. Intolerant is way too weak of a term.

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>on the grounds that UCLA was “failing to promote a research environment free of antisemitism and bias” This really has very Germany 1930s vibes even if the direction of the anti is flipped.

Flipping the direction isn't some minor detail. That "flip" was the reason for the Allies to fight the second world war! The universities implement Nazi-like policies in which they try to keep Jews out illegally, others fought against them. If you aren't sure which side are in the wrong here, you need to ask yourself if it's yours.

Where are they keeping out Jewish people? Extraordinary claims and all that
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