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Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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> This doesn't hold up logically unless I'm missing something, certainly the victim wouldn't be getting fined 329 million if it was decided to be his fault for not looking at the road I hope we haven't internalized the idea that corporations should be treated the same as people. There's essentially no difference $3M and $300M fine against most individuals, but $3M means very little to Tesla. If you want Tesla's behav…

>I hope we haven't internalized the idea that corporations should be treated the same as people. Only when it comes to rights. When it comes to responsibilities the corporations stop being people and go back to being amorphous, abstract things that are impossible to punish.

Everyone spewing opinions in this thread so they can get their upvotes from like minded readers is missing the 800lb gorilla.

It's not in the state's interest to kill profitable things most of the time except occasionally as a deterrent example. It's the same reason richer people (who pay a lot of taxes, engage in activity spawning yet more taxes, etc) tend to get probation instead of jail. Likewise, the state is happy to kill small(er) businesses. It does this all the time and it doesn't make the news. Whereas with the big ones it just takes its pound of flesh and keeps things running.

As long as that incentive mostly remains, the outcomes will mostly remain.

Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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Modern autopilots? No, they will not crash into a mountain or another plane.

So you’re a pilot?

You asked the question to someone you knew wasn't a pilot.

So why are you ignoring the answer you got, instead waiting to hear if the person that answered is a pilot before you acknowledge it?

Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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Did they? I think you may be overestimating how much average people know about autopilot systems.

Pilot is a relatively high status career. They are always shown taking off and landing in tv shows and movies. I would be surprised if people thought they just sit back and relax the entire time.

Be prepared to be surprised

Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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> What behavior do you want them to change? Don't advertise their driver assist system as "full self driving".

The system involved in this crash was never advertised as "full self driving".

From https://web.archive.org/web/20211002045634/https://www.tesla...:

> Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and *full self-driving capabilities* — through software updates designed to improve functionality over time.

> Tesla's Autopilot AI team drives the future of autonomy of current and new generations of vehicles. Learn about the team and apply to help accelerate the world with *full self-driving*.

Now you can say that can be interpreted multiple ways - which means the copywriter is either incompetent, or intentionally misleading. Interestingly, the text from 2019 (https://web.archive.org/web/20191225054133/tesla.com/autopil...) is written a bit differently:

> ...full self-driving capabilities *in the future*...

Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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Density is fundamentally incompatible with car-friendly cities and a large amount of road. In general, the denser a city becomes, the more people will go by foot, cycle, or use public transport, especially in Europe.

Oh it is. You get traffic jams and that’s not exactly car-friendly. But still people drive. On top of that, walking on a sidewalk when a bus pass close by is much more interesting than a car passing. And then there’s all the commercial traffic that is necessary to serve a dense city. And many cities, especially here in Europe, are dense enough to need some mode of transit. Especially with workplaces concentrated eith…

If traffic in a city was mostly busses and trucks you'd only need two lanes for them and the walking experience could get a lot nicer.

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The driver literally stopped paying attention to find his phone that he dropped. Is that really a fanboy thing or just total irresponsibility on the driver’s part?

It's true but it's not enough to excuse tesla.

Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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HN commenter: "On one hand I don't think you can apply a price to a human life, but on the other 329 million feels too high, especially since Tesla is only partially to blame, it wasn't FSD, and the driver wasn't using the system correctly." What this sentence is describing are compensatory damages, e.g., compensation for loss of life That number was 129 not 329, and Tesla was only found liable for 33% of it CNBC: "T…

1. Why are you "replying" to someone but not using the reply feature?

2. The number that matters here is total compensatory damages, not Tesla's share.

Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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The model s has terrible phone docks. Don't get me started on cupholders, I'll bet people have drink mishaps all the time that affect driving. I'm actually kind of serious about this - keeping people's stuff secure and organized is important in a moving car. I'm surprised the touchscreen controls and retiring of stalks aren't coming under more safetly scrutiny. With the new cars without a PRND stalk, how can you quic…

What Tesla touchscreen controls are crucial for driving? FWIW climate is quick little swipe, arguably easier than turning dial.

i’d like to hear that argument.

Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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$300M means very little to Tesla. The stock didn't even drop a bit (other than the usual market fluctuations today). Perhaps $4.20B or $6.90B would've been meaningful. Elon notices these numbers.

Not doing what it asks - “keep your hands on the wheel” and “eyes on the road” - and crashing the car is somehow Elon Musks’ fault LOL hn logic. Can’t wait to sue lane assist when I drive drunk and crash!

"Somehow?" We're literally discussing a court case where culpability was proven and accepted by a judge.

Re: Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

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Perhaps the driver would have acted differently if Tesla hadnt sold him a product called "autopilot."

But if it was called 'lane assist' or 'adaptive cruise' he might not have bought the car in the first place.

Indeed. So they called it autopilot and then this accident happened and that's the reality we're actually living in now.
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